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Post by djloone on Jul 19, 2016 17:45:57 GMT
Time for a change people...after all of the fannying about with trying too find the backrest i wanted..failing and chopping 1 too suit it appears my young n and missis dont actually like it....so im gonna ditch it..along with the camel seat....so i have a Q for ya all (that could save me endless searching), im after a king and queen style seat..but more importantly where is the best place too be sending it too be recovered/trimmed...and as a side thought could seats be vinyl wrapped?? (not a clue how much give there is in em), cheers troops
LOON-E
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Post by henri on Jul 20, 2016 8:33:43 GMT
think you'd have to ask a vinyl wrapper ,but doubt if it would work , seat flexing would crack it off quickly .H
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Post by djloone on Aug 4, 2016 14:58:29 GMT
Cheers H for the heads up that me scoot had got its piccys in scootering this month....infamy lol LOON-E
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Post by sime66 on Aug 4, 2016 16:11:51 GMT
Well done loon-e; ya publicity junkie!! You asked on other thread about safe carb set up; you do know it isn't wise to use others' settings, but if you remind me (kit, pipe and carb), I can find my previous set up for just bolt on DR kit (from memory it was about 108 for 20/20 and 118 for 24/24; I wasn't playing with Pilot then, so have no record). Those will be with drilled filter and Sito+ and SipRoad2 pipe; you'll see why there's no transferable safe set up - there's too many variables. The previous good, safe set up we were talking about on pxguru's Tourer thread was for my tuned build, which will not be similar to your set up.
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Post by djloone on Aug 4, 2016 16:22:12 GMT
same dr 180 kit..simmi pipe 20/20 standard carb..filter isnt drilled...yet .true..every lumps gonna be a bit diff and we all know nothings really safe...thats half the fun..but i have promised the other half some outings on the back n i just wanna be confident of getting home everytime we go out lol..cheers mate LOON-E
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Post by sime66 on Aug 4, 2016 17:13:52 GMT
That’s going back four years for me; before I was playing with anything other than MJ. I wouldn’t even trust my own old carb set up again from then without checking it because I’ve since learned how to do it properly. But, if you need an answer, my previous bolt on Dr177, with Sito+, had a 20/20 non-autolube carb with 108 MJ and drilled filter; I imagine the rest was 160, BE3 and 48/160, but I have no record of that to hand. Factor-in the variations from that if you wish! Standard (sip) carbs on tables here might be helpful too: www.sip-scootershop.com/files/catalogue/index.html#/251…that’s all I’ve got, mate; if you want to be confident of getting home, it's jetting tweaks and plug chops, no short cuts - or take your chances and have fun with it!
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Post by djloone on Aug 4, 2016 17:28:01 GMT
Gotta admit mate the lazy git gene is strong in me ...if i can get her starting within 4 or 5 kicks and get me where i wanna go and back im gonna be very content...im def in the get it running..and get out on it camp...hats off too yourself..H..Guru..Vespaco too name a few that go the extra mile i havent got in me...reading your lots threads have helped me no end LOON-E
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Post by sime66 on Aug 5, 2016 7:52:22 GMT
I’m sure there’s some sensible middle-ground; just check the Pilot and make sure it’s a big enough MJ and not lean at low/mid/WOT and put up with a reduced performance and economy – which yours will have anyway with the forks and stuff. I’m certainly no advocate of a year-long carb tweaking season, but I like to think it won’t be quite such a palaver next time I tackle it, though even the proper old-pros are making a meal of theirs at the moment as well! (...and I still seized, after all the work, when I lost patience with it and had a careless guess).
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Post by djloone on Aug 7, 2016 14:10:37 GMT
Depressed ..removed plug ..very oiley and replaced..checked..good spark...all jets in new..5 kicks with the choke on and she stinks of petrol...5 or 10 kicks later and not a hint of life (n im funked after that lol )..gave up for United and the charity shield..but gonna get on the problem 1st thing tommoz..any 1st ports of call too be checking? LOON-E
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Post by vespasco on Aug 7, 2016 16:14:16 GMT
check the idle jet is correct size, maybe even use a smaller one.
compression. how is compression?
double check you havent knocked the plug cap off the the ht lead. Does it bump start?
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Post by sime66 on Aug 8, 2016 5:48:24 GMT
Flooding it, but compression was my other thought too, (rings should be ok - you've barely run-her-in; how's your nuts?) and also did you just change anything after asking about jets before.
if you get it flooded like that with what sounds like too much choke, turn ignition off, push choke in, open throttle wide, and kick it a few times. Then turn ignition on and try again without choke.......(I had years of "start-ya-b'stard" fannying about every time I stopped for anything, and that tended to work - that, or the big hammer)
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Post by djloone on Aug 8, 2016 8:01:09 GMT
New plug..good spark...comp feels fine..jets are bk pretty standard..i have a few now too play with..would be happier it it would start..even badly..then id have somewhere too start..with never owning the scoot as a runner..maybe a carb rebuild s worth a couple of hrs..its coming too bits later LOON-E
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Post by sime66 on Aug 8, 2016 8:57:47 GMT
Come on then; lets see if we can get some progress here. On July 6th you said ticking over fine with ‘carb screw’ 1 turn out….. 1) Do you mean the Mix Screw at the back? – (if so, suggests rich Pilot, maybe). 2) Did you do the Mix and Idle Screws setting up properly? 3) What’s the story with your carb? New? Old one off scoot left alone? Old one off scoot refurbed? 4) Is it a Spaco or Dellorto? (that will determine, roughly, where your mix screw should be). What and when did it start having starting problems? You had it OK to that local rally. You went from fine on July 6th, to talking about seats, then pretty pics in magazine, then jetting and taking Mrs for a ride, and now poor starting and flooding? While we’re gathering relevant info; did you run it in 500 miles? Did you retorque everything? Engine? Head? Carb? Did you set and check your timing? What precisely are your jetting and screw positions now – can we improve on ‘pretty standard’? (To me it sounds like you need to do your Mix and Idle and get your Pilot Jet right, not open-heart surgery on carb – unless it is as old as scoot and not checked over?) Give us some clues to work with, and we might get you sorted before the first Autumn frosts……………. (I was on road at 5:00am this morning, and you can tell it’s cooling overnight already, quite chilly round the extremities – Autumn’s just round the corner, chaps).
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Post by djloone on Aug 8, 2016 9:47:36 GMT
Cheers mate..right carbs a Dellorto 20/20..jets in atm are... 48/160 along with 150/BE3/108...running in when i was pootling along slowly didnt feel too bad but did know it was gonna need a proper set up...it is the org carb that came already unbolted from the non running lump..so i have no history on it...im definatly blowing oil over my exhaust and hub backplate so somethings leaking..and flooding/stinking of petrol after half a dozen choked kicks...everything had a retourque after the run in...and my barrel thread incident ...the carb had no real work on it before it went back on..i have a dellorto full gasket set here for it...could be a lesson not too cut corners and just bang it on n try LOON-E
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Post by sime66 on Aug 8, 2016 10:39:23 GMT
Quick thoughts; my free time this morning is run out now: 20/20 48/160 150/BE3/108: 150? Not 160? Anyway, that jetting isn’t going to be giving you any major problem, if your carbs OK and if you’ve set up your Mix and Idle – even somewhere close (where’s your Idle?) for Dellorto it’s about 1½ Mix and 2½ Idle Screw – that’s start point, not Gospel for every carb as some think; you might that find Pilot first, then MJ later need a tweak or maybe not, but not drastically. What other jets have you got? I reckon at least your float and needle need a look at (probably letting fuel through, which will deffo cause starting trouble); get yourself a red-tipped needle, but check the float first because you might need that too. You can do that without taking off the carb, but if that carb is just bunged on without checking over then you could be wasting your time until it’s had a good seeing to. Do you want to take your carb off, strip, clean, replace bits, rebuild? Probably sensible, and simple enough, but quite delicate, and not to be rushed, or done ham-fistedly – or you will need a new one! – Up to you. Someone recently had fuel seeping overnight, and we went into needles and taps in some detail; maybe your tap needs checking too. Turning fuel off a bit before turning engine off can help too, to leave carb bowl empty. Are you blowing oil from your exhaust, or is it getting on your exhaust?? If it’s oily from your exhaust (which ties in with your oily plug) then you’re rich – but not really giving it much of a decent blast by the sounds of it. If you’re losing engine oil, that could be from clutch cover from over-filling, or it could be from hub, or it could be engine bolts not torqued down properly during running in – Source of oil and whether it’s engine oil or from the exhaust is needed there – that’s you getting on your hands and knees and looking; can’t do that from here. What's your oil level now? If it stinks of fuel with choked kicks, kick it without choke!! Once it stinks of petrol, you’re just giving yourself a bit of a workout, not going to start it. If it was me, I’d have the carb off to get it right and be sure it’s ok, then when it’s back on, recap on new symptoms if there’s still a problem, and take the next most likely or easiest thing to check; troubleshooting has to be a systematic methodical process, if you do it haphazard you’ll never be sure what’s not the problem. (And if you just get it running and then don’t bother with the rest of it, you’re asking for the next thing to bite you on the arse when you least expect it when you’re in the middle of nowhere. Get it right in the shed/garden, rather than by the side of the road when you’re trying to get somewhere; that’s me anyway). That little lot should give you a few things to think about; I gotta dash!......................
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Post by djloone on Aug 9, 2016 23:45:20 GMT
Had little time too get my hands dirty...and with being off world at a party this coming weekend..nothings gonna get much further on...but next tues its gonna get a couple of hrs on the bench at the mates shop...really wanna get some trips in before the weather stops fun..so its gonna get the sonic bath..full rebuild (that could/should have been done before now in hindsight..but i was gagging too ride it lol)
LOON-E
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Post by djloone on Aug 20, 2016 10:42:54 GMT
Update time people..now ive finally had some time too get things done..carb stripped (the little red tipped needle valve thingy looking a sticky prime suspect)..all rebuilt retorqued and on....the oil spraying over my rearhub back plate solved..bit of a Doh! moment when i saw what was the cause..but glad it was nowt serious...the blanking plate for the starter motor nuts had come loose spraying crap out..(id guess this wasnt helping running /cooling either??)..3rd kick or so and she fired up...happy that i can now start setting it up right knowing that everything is fit for purpose too start with...wet here today so no play..gonna bite the bulllet and try a few runs tommorrow morning ..try and get 30mile too a little scooter meet/show/band in Spalding/Lincs...back on the road im hoping...plz let there be a bit of summer left LOON-E
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Post by djloone on Aug 21, 2016 16:09:50 GMT
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Post by henri on Aug 22, 2016 7:32:35 GMT
looks good ,few there i recognise , the red-oxide primmy with bars , devspeeds ts1 bulldog ,an of course the "guvnor" .an seen ska-d for life before alright tunes . hope a good day was had by all .i missed my 2 local meets with mystery clutch stuff . H
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Post by djloone on Aug 23, 2016 0:24:24 GMT
I really liked the look of the red smallie (anyone know it?) with the cheq flag graphics..didnt see the owner..but id be inttrested in the specs..looks a goer ;)after giving mine a run..consensus at the shop is it may now be lean...ticks over fine at lights..but i seem too have a dead spot as i take up the throttle....almost have too slip the clutch too take off without fear of stalling....when it came too starting after a 10 mile run..n 20 min stop..2kicks without the choke...no start..3 kicks with the choke...no start...choke in..hold throttle wide open after the last 5 kicks ..1st kick and im away....same 30mile later after 4 or so hrs left to cool off....what you reckon people with them symptoms??..apart from that riding in a group i had no problem chugging along/keeping up (speedo still not working)..but on the dual carrigeways when peeps hacked in mine hummed along with the 200s...buzzing im out n riding it again...will be happier when im confident it,ll start everytime ive stopped....anyone encountered the same..where should i be starting?
LOON-E
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Post by pxguru on Aug 23, 2016 5:59:35 GMT
Not starting when hot, exactly how you describe, is the pilot jet, or if not starting so bad, a mixture screw that is way too far undone. If the shop recon its lean, it will need a bigger main jet, at least.
Remind us what engine set up, carb size, and all the jet sizes in there now. Shouldn't take too long to get it running ok enough not to worry about.
I'm liking the red chequered one too. It's not a smallie. I think its could be a 200 Rally, GS or a VBB with loads of work done and a Tasso kit, Bryno will know for sure.
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Post by henri on Aug 23, 2016 6:46:17 GMT
thought smallie as they look pk forks ,an toolbox in panel would be primmy , but pxguru's right i think ,large frame,an the 2 piece horncast pressings makin me suspect super now .not seen it in the flesh,but memorys sayin ive seen photo's before ,cant recall were tho. H
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Post by vespasco on Aug 23, 2016 16:39:53 GMT
Yeh that red 'un is pretty nice. Quite different from most other scoots. And has us all talking about it. Nice work. It looks like a vbb/super type to me, with extra glovebox. I'm not sure someone would actually do something like that to a GS or a Rally. I'll be wrong of course.
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Post by djloone on Aug 23, 2016 22:39:51 GMT
Was only a local/small meet..id imagine i,ll bump into it again before the seasons done....i,ll get some specs LOON-E
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Post by mushroom on Feb 7, 2017 21:28:37 GMT
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Post by djloone on Feb 8, 2017 19:35:00 GMT
Quality them mate :)we love the antz
LOON-E
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Post by djloone on Feb 8, 2017 19:36:47 GMT
Better add i had a new seat arrive tues..new clutch plates..and another red rim for my spare wheel...waiting on the battery cover too arrive then be etched and fingers crossed im gonna be ready for this years fun
LOON-E
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Post by djloone on Mar 14, 2017 19:34:59 GMT
Update time..new clutch plates in..all is fine...new speedo drive fitted i can see how quick i think im going ( all vespa speedos lie) we now seem too be running again fine...new blue seat on along with battery cover etched up and fitted...bring on the sunshine people...we are ready ( just about/maybe/most probably/hopefully) lool Today LOON-E
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Post by doulsy on Mar 14, 2017 20:36:32 GMT
looks great
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Post by ironsloth on Mar 14, 2017 21:38:30 GMT
That new seat suits the scoot now... I'll be fitting the camel in a couple of weeks, the falcon seat that's on at the moment is almost dead... I'm surprised there's no ants/crabs/distorted face/graffiti/any kind of face (think that's all the album covers apart from "experience" and "dirt chamber sessions") 😆
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