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Post by bignico2411 on Jun 14, 2016 11:36:50 GMT
Two queries:
1. I don't know how this happened, but I've just discovered I'm running a tubeless tyre with inner tube on my rear wheel and have been doing so for a year and more. Is this safe, or am I a disaster waiting to happen?
2. I'm about to replace my rims. I know I'm likely to have to utilise one of the 'breaking the bead' techniques to get the rims off the tyres but, as I intend to re-use the existing tyres, do I need to do something to 'recreate' the bead?
Apologies if these are particularly daft questions, but I've only ever replaced an inner tube before! Cheers
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Post by kidda on Jun 14, 2016 11:59:29 GMT
I run tubeless tyres with a inner tube in,to get them off the rims I just slowly worked them off with a lever and stomping on em
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Post by kidda on Jun 14, 2016 12:02:37 GMT
Think all tyres now have tubeless on the sidewalls now,cars,trucks and motorcycles etc because they are all made tubeless now.
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Post by bignico2411 on Jun 14, 2016 12:05:38 GMT
I run tubeless tyres with a inner tube in,to get them off the rims I just slowly worked them off with a lever and stomping on em Thanks, kidda, was worried I was a blow-out waiting to happen. I'm going to do something similar but, as I don't have a tyre lever, I'm going to use a claw hammer as the lever and t**t it with another hammer. Safety goggles will be deployed!! Have you ever re-used tyres? Do I need to do anything to make sure they seal, for want of a better expression?
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Post by sime66 on Jun 14, 2016 12:12:14 GMT
1) Tubes are fine in tubeless tyres. 2) Are you a disaster waiting to happen!?!?! I’m saying nothing, mate. 3) Breaking bead/reusing tyres. Hmmm. You could re-use tyres after getting them off the rim, depending on how much of a fight they put up and if you damage them, but do you really want to save a couple of € on something so important? How old are they? wear? kms? If you do reuse them, and whether you’re going tubeless or not, you’ll have to do a bloomin’ good job of getting any old crud/rust/paint flakes etc off them to prevent bead-leaks or tube nicks.
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Post by kidda on Jun 14, 2016 12:32:05 GMT
If your going reuse them be careful you don't damage the bead area that sits on the rims,I've changed tubes and had no issues on splitting rims,me personally ain't going put a new tyre on when I split rims but that's me,inspect tyre for damage,wear etc before refit then the choice is yours,tube in and gloop jobs a gudun.
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Post by bignico2411 on Jun 14, 2016 12:36:48 GMT
1) Tubes are fine in tubeless tyres. 2) Are you a disaster waiting to happen!?!?! I’m saying nothing, mate. 3) Breaking bead/reusing tyres. Hmmm. You could re-use tyres after getting them off the rim, depending on how much of a fight they put up and if you damage them, but do you really want to save a couple of € on something so important? How old are they? wear? kms? If you do reuse them, and whether you’re going tubeless or not, you’ll have to do a bloomin’ good job of getting any old crud/rust/paint flakes etc off them to prevent bead-leaks or tube nicks. 1. thanks, mate! 2. thanks, again!! 3. I've already thought about this one, tbh. If they slip off like an otter off the bank, then I will re-use as both front and rear were replaced last year and are in good nick (maybe a 1000 miles on them). If they are an utter bollix to get off, then I'm going new to be on the safe side.
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Post by sime66 on Jun 14, 2016 12:49:17 GMT
I agree with you kidda; I've re-used tyres on tubed split rims, don't know if you can or should on one-piece tubeless rims, and don't know if I would on my split tubeless; probably not. In my case when I next split my rims it will be to change my tyres because I'm doing plenty of kms, all-year round on softish tyres, which isn't the case for nico, who has a much shorter scooting season.
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Post by bignico2411 on Jun 14, 2016 13:00:41 GMT
Gents, for clarity, I'm replacing like for like in terms of tubed split rims. On the basis that I don't damage the tyres when getting the old rims off, and they look good on closer inspection, I will re-use. One last question, what is gloop and how do I use it?
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Post by kidda on Jun 14, 2016 14:32:57 GMT
Inner tube sealant, just in case you have a puncture it should go down nice and slow not like mine snaking down the road and slating it up the kerb.
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Post by bignico2411 on Jun 14, 2016 15:07:16 GMT
Cheers, kidda! I've just googled it, how much do I use per tube and does it go in before or after inflation? I'm guessing before, but want to be sure
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Post by kidda on Jun 14, 2016 17:16:50 GMT
1 bottle per tube and before inflation,take valve out and squirt it in
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Post by bignico2411 on Jun 14, 2016 20:15:45 GMT
1 bottle per tube and before inflation,take valve out and squirt it in Cheers, mate!
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Post by swm on Jun 14, 2016 22:51:07 GMT
Tubeless tyres are fine with tubes . As for Goop , piece of p**s to use/install with wheel on or off scoot. The instructions , amounts to use and plastic valve key are all on the bottle. From memory an £8 ish (500 ml) bottle is enough for 2 tubes (3.50x10) Take out the valve, squirt it in , replace valve and re-inflate. Job done. I've had "slow" punctures before now and not known till I've changed the tyre only to see the tell tale sign of a small green blob on the tube ! It wouldn't seal a major rip but it might give you enough time to pull up, so its gotta be worth it !
Cheers.
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Post by bignico2411 on Jun 15, 2016 8:21:49 GMT
Tubeless tyres are fine with tubes . As for Goop , piece of p**s to use/install with wheel on or off scoot. The instructions , amounts to use and plastic valve key are all on the bottle. From memory an £8 ish (500 ml) bottle is enough for 2 tubes (3.50x10) Take out the valve, squirt it in , replace valve and re-inflate. Job done. I've had "slow" punctures before now and not known till I've changed the tyre only to see the tell tale sign of a small green blob on the tube ! It wouldn't seal a major rip but it might give you enough time to pull up, so its gotta be worth it !
Cheers. Thanks, swm! I had a trawl around t'internet last night and what you have said echoes everything I read. 500ml bottle and a valve puller ordered off amazon for a tenner, seems even a luddite like me can do this job!!
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Post by kidda on Jun 16, 2016 10:22:55 GMT
S83s and tubes have come just got go pick them up and fit to the other scooter and going be interesting to see the comparison with the different types of tyres,the contimove 365 seem better now after doing what you told me H cheers for that plus got a few more miles on them so hopefully all's well in my world of scooter tyres,down in illfracombe next week so if any of you fellas are about and fancy a pint I'll get you one in,keep you posted with my results,av a gudun.
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Post by bignico2411 on Jun 22, 2016 10:50:22 GMT
Is it safe to use a car jack to lift the rear of my scooter? I'm sure I saw a video of someone doing this, but can't remember where or where exactly he positioned the jack. I want to give my hubs a good clean when I have the wheels off to replace the rims. As this is not going to be a 5 minute job, would I be better simply lying the scooter on its side? Cheers
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Post by pxguru on Jun 22, 2016 12:33:13 GMT
When lifting up the back under the gearbox it is always a good plan to put bricks under the centre stand feet. More height to work and the stand won't ping up as you are jacking it.
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Post by bignico2411 on Jun 22, 2016 13:00:56 GMT
When lifting up the back under the gearbox it is always a good plan to put bricks under the centre stand feet. More height to work and the stand won't ping up as you are jacking it. Thanks, guru, duly noted. So gearbox is a better spot for jacking than engine casing?
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Post by swm on Jun 22, 2016 13:59:22 GMT
Is it safe to use a car jack to lift the rear of my scooter? I'm sure I saw a video of someone doing this, but can't remember where or where exactly he positioned the jack. I want to give my hubs a good clean when I have the wheels off to replace the rims. As this is not going to be a 5 minute job, would I be better simply lying the scooter on its side? Cheers This is how I do it ! [img src=" i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab299/flipster1/IMG_1183.jpg" src="http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab299/flipster1/IMG_1172%202_1.jpg" style="max-width:100%;"]
I don't have a centre stand so I improvised with an old piece of offcut work top with three bits of 4x2 nailed to it to make a "stand" which lifts the scoot enough to work on both ends. I lift the front end on to the "stand" then remove the back bumper and jack up from there or if its gunna be there forra while just lift up the back and rest it on a milk crate or summat similar . Jobs a good un !
Cheers.
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Post by bignico2411 on Jun 22, 2016 16:40:42 GMT
Is it safe to use a car jack to lift the rear of my scooter? I'm sure I saw a video of someone doing this, but can't remember where or where exactly he positioned the jack. I want to give my hubs a good clean when I have the wheels off to replace the rims. As this is not going to be a 5 minute job, would I be better simply lying the scooter on its side? Cheers This is how I do it ! [img src=" i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab299/flipster1/IMG_1183.jpg" src="http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab299/flipster1/IMG_1172%202_1.jpg" style="max-width:100%;"]
I don't have a centre stand so I improvised with an old piece of offcut work top with three bits of 4x2 nailed to it to make a "stand" which lifts the scoot enough to work on both ends. I lift the front end on to the "stand" then remove the back bumper and jack up from there or if its gunna be there forra while just lift up the back and rest it on a milk crate or summat similar . Jobs a good un !
Cheers.
Love it, mate, great bit of improvisation!!!
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Post by doulsy on Jul 3, 2016 9:19:07 GMT
Is it safe to use a car jack to lift the rear of my scooter? I'm sure I saw a video of someone doing this, but can't remember where or where exactly he positioned the jack. I want to give my hubs a good clean when I have the wheels off to replace the rims. As this is not going to be a 5 minute job, would I be better simply lying the scooter on its side? Cheers This is how I do it ! [img src=" i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab299/flipster1/IMG_1183.jpg" src="http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab299/flipster1/IMG_1172%202_1.jpg" style="max-width:100%;"]
I don't have a centre stand so I improvised with an old piece of offcut work top with three bits of 4x2 nailed to it to make a "stand" which lifts the scoot enough to work on both ends. I lift the front end on to the "stand" then remove the back bumper and jack up from there or if its gunna be there forra while just lift up the back and rest it on a milk crate or summat similar . Jobs a good un !
Cheers.
im gonna need to make something like that, been thinking about it fot ages, good idea
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Post by bignico2411 on Jul 12, 2016 13:45:31 GMT
Just a quick post to say I changed my rims today with no dramas. Old rims came off with only a bit of a struggle, filled tubes with Goop and put the new rims (from Sip, v pleased with quality and speed of delivery) onto the existing tyres, which were in good shape. Also gave them a scrub with some Cif, brought the whitewalls up to almost new. Even the rear that was splattered with gunk!
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