Centre stand (fail)

[fredperrybruce]

Hi all,

Parked up today outside a packed pub, stuck my foot down, pulled the scoot onto it's stand and (CRUNCH)

Brackets and legs totally buckled and I dropped the scoot in front of a huge crowed.....

So what I need to know is do I just unbolt the old one and bolt new one straight on??? Is there anything I need to watch out for???

I have a scratched Px Disk

Any help grateful

[sime66]

This is a job I need to do too, but I doubt I can think of anything you don’t already know, but no harm in trying – so excuse the bleedin’ obvious:
If your floor is OK, then you can bolt a stand on with new brackets, but if it’s all buckled and manky, you might need some work there first. There are reinforcing plates, I can’t quickly find an English link, but something like this:
www.scooter-center.com/product/7671408/Rear+floor+board+reinforcing+plate+VESPA+V50+PV125+ET3?lang=en
The other thing to consider is that if you have any unusual shape of exhaust, you have to be sure it will not foul, and obviously you need the correct width for your scooter. Make sure you buy one for 10” wheel too.
It’s a scooter on side job, so remove battery side panel, battery? Cushion it, and make sure your fuel is turned off and you fuel cap is secure. You might get some spillage out of the carb float chamber too.
Unbolting and bolting a new one is meant to be pretty easy, but the spring can be a bugger. I haven’t tried it yet, but using a loop of wire around the hook is meant to make it easier to get it back in the hole under tension.
That’s all I can tell you about a job I’m going to do myself very soon – I’ve just straightened mine again yesterday, and it’s only a matter of time before it goes completely.

[sbwnik]

You can do it with the bike upright.

Lean it against a wall, unfasten the bolts through the floorboards which hold the stand in place.
Pop the spring off.


Replacement is the opposite of removal. Any centre stand iI use has two small strengthening struts welded across the corners, but tbh i prefer a prop stand.


Spring pullers are available, but I use a length of wire.

[fredperrybruce]

Thanks Sime66 & swbnik,

I need to take a real good look at the underneath of the scoot, there is a fair bit of rot under there so don't want to be
fitting new brackets on to a rotten underside.

I was thinking of getting some work done on the underside by a garage, but I'm guessing it's a big job and very expensive!!

As for the original question I asked, sounds pretty easy "thank's".

I parked my scooter against the wall yesterday looked underneath gave the thing a tug and almost had the scoot on top of me so I might just stick
the thing on it's side just to be safe.

[sime66]

It takes a lot of tugging to straighten, and on the second time of doing it didn't feel like I'd be able to do it again without twisting it off.
I believe putting it in gear is the thing to do if you're leaning it.
I haven't  got the plums to disagree with Nik, but on the side suits me better too - it can't fall off the floor when you're tugging at it!

I reckon I’ll go with the reinforced stand too. Although the stainless has some appeal for strength and against rust. I mentioned the reinforced back in April, and got a bit of stick from our mutual friend Kru about zimmer frames! I still reckon they’ll help with the twisting, which is what mine tends to do.

Gotta have a decent floorboard first though.

[fredperrybruce]

When you say twisting I take it you mean the stand not the frame??

[fredperrybruce]

Hi, I've just found my local shop sells floor supports just like the one you found Sime66 earlier

www.allstyles-scooters.com/acatalog/info_4073.html

Do these just get bolted on or need to be welded???

[sime66]

In the case of mine, I mean the stand. My floor (frame) is fine. The brackets may have worked loose too, but my two legs were actually out of parallel, which made the scooter lean over. I posted it before when I was investigating which best stand to get, but my plans got sidetracked with one new issue after another on the scooter taking priority (sound familiar?). Here's a photo of mine as I tried to illustrate the twist. You'll see that the angle of one leg is different to the other:




I'll try to link to the previous post:

vespa.proboards.com/thread/3256/centre-stand-exhaust

[fredperrybruce]

Thanks for the pic fella looks a'lot better than mine lol

I think I've got no choice but to keep the thing upright, due to having a big scorpion exhaust sticking out the side and I'm buggered if
I'm taking the thing off again,

I've done more rear wheel changes over the last few days than I care to imagine. "bloody left hand exhausts"

Thanks again

[sbwnik]

:-D stick it in first and it shouldn't roll anywhere.

[sbwnik]

Btw.. those alloy stand feet can cause the floor to buckle as they change the weight distribution

[sime66]

Those feet will be going very soon, when I get a new stand. They did serve the purpose of making the twisted leg longer to level the scooter for a while, but it's beyond that now. I'm just tossing up between a stainless or a steel with the reinforcement we've talked about. Either will have traditional round rubber feet.
When I looked at it before I checked that the reinforced job wouldn't foul a Sito+ exhaust, but as I will be changing that quite soon to a SIP Road2 (If that is still the current best when I get round to it) I'm just checking that a reinforced stand will fit with the SIP Road2. I know you'd just measure up and weld something to fit around it, but I don't have the skill or the kit for that.
I'll post the answer when I have it.

[sbwnik]

SIP Road 2 is the same size as a standard pipe (+/-)

[kru251]

I have alloy feet on a Lam***tta and not only does it move the front wheel higher (so it doesn't slip way on slightly uneven ground which is good) but it leaves a lot of bl%dy 'white' marks on tarmac drives where it get pulled up (which is bad)!!!!!

[sime66]

I’m just finishing some jobs and tidying up threads, before Wollacombe next week.
Thanks to all who advised during these jobs.
I went for the stainless stand in the end, and I’m happy with the choice.