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Post by satchmo on Mar 25, 2008 15:38:22 GMT
Hi guys,
Im sure ive read this problem on this forum somewhere before but the search is not helping me today.
My scoot is kept outside, and as a result of the previous weeks apalling weather it has been standing a little over a week. When going for a ride this afternoon, ive noticed the rear brake pedal is very stiff, so much so in fact that it doesnt return to its correct position. Ive tried some WD40 on the pedal end but its still the same. Its moving the cable all the way through to the rear wheel ok but just very stiff.
I suspect water has got in somewhere. In your opinions is this a problem with the pedal or rear brake drum?
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Post by Smallframe on Mar 25, 2008 17:13:33 GMT
If you have wd40'd the pedal pivot point underneath and its still not returning, then look at cleaning up and lubing the brake cam actuating arm at the engine on the hub back plate. It could be dry and full of road crud.
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Post by satchmo on Mar 25, 2008 18:14:08 GMT
Thanks for the reply smallframe. Just had a good tinker with it. It seems that the brake arm is returning ok. Pushing it in by hand and it returns as expected. I suspect the problem is the front pedal. Ive doused it in wd40 and moved it through its paces a few times. Hopefully tomorrow it should be better. If not I guess I'll take it to the dealer. (its still under warranty so dont want to do too much with it)
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Post by Spence on Mar 25, 2008 19:25:41 GMT
Don't forget WD40 isn't a lubricant as such, it just forces out moisture. Try lubricating it with something else as well.
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Post by satchmo on Mar 25, 2008 19:34:21 GMT
Good point Spence, what product would you suggest? Grease or oil?
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Post by Robjack on Mar 25, 2008 20:19:15 GMT
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Post by satchmo on Mar 26, 2008 18:20:55 GMT
Well its still the same. Went out on it today after dousing it with 3in1. Its quite un-nerving having the bring the lever back up with my foot! I'll take it to the dealer tomorrow as its still under warranty and see what they suggest!
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Post by Ironduke on Mar 26, 2008 20:40:40 GMT
I had this with my PX Disc - very annoying! If I left it for a few days I found the pedal would stick down and would have to return it with my foot. It doesn't take much travel for it to show the brake light but not actually operate the brake which is a bit confusing for traffic behind you. The only way I managed to get it to work was to ride it more! Funnily enough now that I have a different Vespa i still pull up the pedal now and again with my foot.
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Post by scooterwarehouse on Mar 27, 2008 7:40:35 GMT
The only way to cure this is remove the Pedal assembly,then remove the Switch the Spring and heat up with a hand Blow Lamp so you can remove the seized pin which holds the two halves of the Pedal together.When drifting the Pin out be very careful not to crack the Pedal.If its very difficult to move you will need to apply more heat until the Pin moves freely.When out clean the corrosion from the Pin with Emery Cloth grease Pin and rebuild.As you say your Scoot is under Warranty they should do this for you.Make sure they remove the Pedal though,because if they don't the problem will return.This is a common Vespa Winter problem.Another one to check is the Main Exhaust Bolt.At least once a month turn it loose and retighten it to stop it seizing.Hope this may help.
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Post by satchmo on Mar 27, 2008 18:19:48 GMT
Hi Guys, thanks for the replies. I visited my dealer today who said they could fit it in for tomorrow but it would cost me £30 labour.  This was enough incentive to come home and have another go at freeing it up. It took about 20 minutes of pushing it up and down applying wd40 & 3in1 and slowly it began to return more and more. Its not perfect - but now it returns enough so the brake and the lights aren't on. Hopefully it should get a even better with time. |
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Post by Devo McDuff on Mar 27, 2008 18:41:10 GMT
Satchmo, surely if it's still under warranty the labour should be covered? It is with mine anyway. Is it an official Piaggio retailer and all that?
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Post by skrappey on Mar 27, 2008 20:28:18 GMT
Labour should be covered if it's a new bike, if it's second hand it could be different.
I had this problem with a T5, took it off and laid it across the gas ring until hotish, fed 3 in 1 while it cooled and it worked a treat.
Best of luck with it matey.
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Post by satchmo on Mar 27, 2008 21:35:18 GMT
Its brand new and still under warranty, the dealer is an official piaggio one and the same one which I purchased the scoot from originally back in September last year.
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Post by Devo McDuff on Mar 27, 2008 23:16:46 GMT
I'd get on to them then if you still have trouble, sounds like they are taking the pish. If they still insist that you have to pay for labour go to Piaggio directly and report them.
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Post by skrappey on Mar 28, 2008 18:15:52 GMT
Only six months old and sticking already? I've had my LML for over four years and it is still fine.
Take it back and demand a replacement. Free of any charges.
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Post by satchmo on Mar 28, 2008 22:06:05 GMT
Ive put it down to the fact that I keep the scoot outside. (Under its cover of course) The weather has been particularly foul recently.  |
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Post by joey on Mar 28, 2008 23:17:27 GMT
Sorry to put a spanner in the works but most warranties cover for faulty items or manufacturing defects, a sticking back brake pedal is neither of these as lubrication of all pivot points should be part of a basic maintenance routine, as should checking tyre pressures, oil levels etc.
Sorry mate but I think that the labour charge is quite justified. You've pointed out yourself that the scoot is kept outside and it's been a particularly bad winter so any exposed pivots, cables etc need extra lubrication.
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Post by Devo McDuff on Mar 29, 2008 22:00:47 GMT
If it's only 6 months old did it have it's first service 2 months ago?
How long would it take for the seizure to build up? i.e. less than 2 months?
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Post by mark on Mar 29, 2008 23:32:47 GMT
Depending on the weather and how well lubricated it is mine can seize up after a few days without use.
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Post by Devo McDuff on Mar 29, 2008 23:46:45 GMT
Ouch, seems I've been lucky then!  |
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Post by satchmo on Mar 31, 2008 3:34:57 GMT
Yes I think you have Devo  My first service was at 1000km which I did in the first month, ie the end of October 2007. It looks as though mine was just crap from the roads though, and not in anyway mechanical. Its amazing how bad the weather has been these past few weeks. A squirt of too with the hosepipe, and a through drying and greasing sorted it out no problems. Glad I did it myself though, saved me £30  |
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This was enough incentive to come home and have another go at freeing it up. It took about 20 minutes of pushing it up and down applying wd40 & 3in1 and slowly it began to return more and more. Its not perfect - but now it returns enough so the brake and the lights aren't on. Hopefully it should get a even better with time.
