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Post by mickingle on Apr 7, 2015 7:16:48 GMT
Morning all, I tried to fit my new sip road 2 exhaust on to my 2014 px125 yesterday and something isn't right. There is a good inch i need to push it up further. I've tried copper grease, not sure what else i'm doing wrong. How much force can you apply, and should you need to. I'd be interested if anyone else has had similar problems.  |
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Post by henri on Apr 7, 2015 8:53:14 GMT
loosen clamp right off n open a bit with big screwdriver/lever , then wallop downpipe up with a hide mallet , least thats what i did , they dont always go all the way up to barrel, but if clamp will bear on the stub when tightened its a good enuff seal , an dont forget to tighten swingarm bolt up an coat it in copper grease . at least it aint a chrome 1 , they have the captive nut fitted when chromed an makes it impossible to get bolt started , gave up after a hour on my mates 1 an swapped nut for old rusty 1 ,5 mins n job was done, an chromes gone after 7 months , H
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Post by mickingle on Apr 7, 2015 11:09:01 GMT
Thanks Henri. Im barely competant with basic jobs, and this one looked easy enough to tackle but it wasnt to be.
So are you saying i need to hammer the sides of the downpipe to make the hole smaller? i can see this ending in disaster!
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Post by henri on Apr 7, 2015 12:59:54 GMT
no def not , get stub positioned into the opening of pipe an strike underneath of down pipe with a hide/rubber mallet upwards to drive it onto stub , it helps to keep it in position if swingarm bolts through swing arm an just started in the captive nut ,if no hide/rubber mallet a block off soft wood between pipe n hammer an light taps should get it on enuff for clamp to be able to grab barrel stub ,
honestly from first piccy you seem to have it just about far enuff on already so a couple of taps should see it home , taps not wallops , ok, H
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Post by mickingle on Apr 7, 2015 13:05:27 GMT
Thanks, that clarifies it nicely. The swing arm bolt is in easy enough so I can loosen that and have another go with the rubber mallet , tenderly!
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Post by sime66 on Apr 7, 2015 13:09:59 GMT
I had no problem with SR2, and I agree it looks nearly there too; quick few thoughts though:
· Loosen the bolt in the swing-arm too – have both loose before fitting.
· Slacken off stub nut to make sure it’s properly loose and free.
· Clean up the stub before refitting.
· Anything else fouling it? - check you haven’t wedged cables where they shouldn’t be (or stand spring).
I had much more problem fitting the Sito+; the SipRoad2 was a doddle after that one. It’s more wiggling and shoving than force really, you can tap it off with a wood block, but it only shoves on, or maybe a tap with a wood block (or one of H’ flash hammers); I’d be checking everywhere else before whacking it too much – I didn’t need to, I just lay on my back and shoved against the weight of the scooter.
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Post by mickingle on Apr 7, 2015 13:51:50 GMT
Thanks again, great advice. I was flat on my back pushing up but without anyone there steadying the bike and it only on its stand I was really cautious as i didn't want to tip it. I'll have s big tea and try again later!
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Post by mickingle on Apr 7, 2015 16:55:07 GMT
Success. A bit of confidence and a friend helping leaning the old girl over and it's on snugly now
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Post by rab on Apr 7, 2015 20:24:49 GMT
Always have a rubber mallet ready when working on a vespa just don't throw it at the wall in anger fuker May bounce back and hit Ye in the head mine did on Sunday
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Post by sime66 on Apr 8, 2015 6:23:21 GMT
Ahh tension relief - I have the neighbours cat, who is always hanging around when I'm working on mine, and who gets his mates to come round and p*sh up my tyres when I'm not around.
Shed wall - luxury!
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Post by henri on Apr 8, 2015 7:50:26 GMT
love the mallet/head interface , my hack died as it came off choke/warming up yesterday ,been havin carb woes since re-build so pulled carb box top n filter an gazed in an kicked it over , actually was a broken key on flywheel ,result backfire n burning petrol back out carb , i bet i look sillier than rabs bruised head havin only 1 eyebrow , H
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Post by mickingle on Apr 8, 2015 10:09:10 GMT
Scorchio!
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Post by mickingle on Apr 8, 2015 13:36:52 GMT
so, 1st ride into work, and something is really not right.
started fine, ticking over fine, quite boggy in 1st and 2nd, and even worse stuttering in 3rd, and 4th is a struggle to keep up the speed.
I've gone from a 96 main jet to 100, and then down to a 98 to see if it helped, Same thing. I'd swapped the air filter for a drilled one, and swapped it back. I've changed the spark plug.
Anything else obvious im missing? or is it possible there is a problem with the exhaust?
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Post by rab on Apr 8, 2015 13:52:00 GMT
Are all the head bolts tightend up mine was doing the same I thought it was a blocked jet took plastic cover off to find head was blowing on frame side re tightend all the head nuts runs sweet again
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Post by mickingle on Apr 8, 2015 14:31:41 GMT
Rab, cheers for the idea, daft beginers question, could they have loosened by changing the exhaust? it was running perfectly fine prior to me swapping it.
I know it sounds simple, but is it an easy job to get to them and then tighten them?
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Post by henri on Apr 8, 2015 16:34:59 GMT
stick the 96 back in an take a blast n do a plug chop , or take barrel cover off , 1 11mm bolt n 1 fly-cover screw an plug , an have a look for leak ,might aswell re-torque the head bolts whilst there, weird one , H
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Post by mickingle on Apr 8, 2015 16:54:03 GMT
Cheers. I'll see what I can do tonight. Might be on the bus in the morning.
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Post by moomoo on Apr 8, 2015 16:58:18 GMT
Cheers. I'll see what I can do tonight. Might be on the bus in the morning. With the bike?....or without it?....lol! Seriously though.....Hope the bike goes alright for you. |
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Post by rab on Apr 8, 2015 17:29:26 GMT
you know im only down the road if you need the hands or help mick .ps barrel cover will be wet inside/or soot staind if not run for a while if you fire the scoot up and rev it then shut it off and take the cover off there will be spatter marks
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Post by mickingle on Apr 8, 2015 21:39:58 GMT
Well. She is back up and running. Luckily I have an old mate living close who assisted. One old style throttle slide replacing the one with the big air pockets and it was more or less fixed. Tinkering with the main jets, air mixture and the idle jet and the flat spots and spluttering have gone. I'm back with the drilled air filter and a 102 main jet and very thankful for his help. Just a matter or checking the plug over the next few days. Next job is to replace the restricted cdi to see if it makes much difference. Thanks for all your suggestions
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Post by henri on Apr 9, 2015 8:07:08 GMT
damm EEC an there bloody restrictions , so now we all know to de-restrict a modern px the slides got to go , good to get my " ya learn something new everyday " moment over early . can get back to being a "village idiot" now with piece of mind .i'm off to stare n point at numptys an laugh/drool now, a "happy" idiot . H
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Post by mickingle on Apr 9, 2015 8:43:05 GMT
On my last new px, the sitoplus ran fine with the modern slide, just shows the difference in the sip road to the sito. I'm not claiming it's running perfect, still a few flat spots and probably too rich, but we are going to re look at it over the weekend. I need to order a couple of different idle jets to try get it right.
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Post by henri on Apr 9, 2015 9:26:17 GMT
better rich than too lean , happy fettling to ya , an if confused bout idle jet codes theres a chart in the beginners guide /2 stroke engines on the "lml owners club" forum , ok, H
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Post by henri on Apr 9, 2015 9:28:25 GMT
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Post by mickingle on Apr 9, 2015 11:13:34 GMT
Thanks H, i like that. That can waste another hour at work!
We ended up putting in a tatty old 52/120 (2.30) which isnt listed on that chart. I think idealy it should be a 45/100 based on what i've read of the original set ups (2.2) so we arent far off.
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Post by Pink on Apr 9, 2015 11:23:55 GMT
Buddy just wipe exhaust port with a cloth, line it up and couple of gentle taps on underside of pipe with a mallet, not hammer! Make sure clamp fully open and lined up straight. Worked for me. Where did you buy it?
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Post by hattster on Jul 14, 2017 17:12:04 GMT
damm EEC an there bloody restrictions , so now we all know to de-restrict a modern px the slides got to go , good to get my " ya learn something new everyday " moment over early . can get back to being a "village idiot" now with piece of mind .i'm off to stare n point at numptys an laugh/drool now, a "happy" idiot . H Hi can you show.me or tell me which slide you replaced it with please ?? |
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Post by RWS74 on Jul 15, 2017 7:56:22 GMT
I had the same issues mate & did all the above too. I've never got it flush like the original but it works fine.
After seeing another post somewhere on here I also applied some silicon sealant to the stub & inside the Sip 2 & let it dry overnight before starting the engine to give a good seal & that has held for last few months.
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