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Post by partanen on Jan 27, 2015 17:01:06 GMT
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Post by vespasco on Jan 27, 2015 18:29:45 GMT
I do like the idea of tubeless split rims!!!
Although I dont like the idea of the tubeless fixed rims!
Simply for the fact that tyre changes (maybe punctures too)! on split rims are easier to do, on the road or in the workshop!
Reading the review.....
The rims seem to be too small for the hub of the grimeca disc brake equipped px.
The rims needs to be machined near the bolt holes and the hub itself also needs machining so the rims can fit.
Do you have the disc brake, with 'spokey' wheels??
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Post by partanen on Jan 27, 2015 19:38:51 GMT
I think I have 'spokey' wheel hub, if that's what you mean? Looks the same than those latest ones has.
Maybe I should ask about wheels from Scooter Center. Maybe they aren't so busy than they are at summer time.
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Post by david888 on Jan 27, 2015 19:41:50 GMT
I ride a 2012 PX with black Pinasco split rims , the rims are well made and easy to fit , I have had no negative issues with the rims and the front disc brake . I aim to replace the O rings whenever I replace the tyres which is normally every 2 years .
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Post by partanen on Jan 28, 2015 8:24:51 GMT
Sounds good. I was thinking grey ones, but black would be good too.
I found new o-rings online, but not from my favourite sellers. I guess those o-rings can be found somewhere when needed.
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Post by vespasco on Jan 28, 2015 12:41:18 GMT
Id probably buy a few of those rings ifyou find some..
Surely pinasco must sell them??
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Post by henri on Jan 28, 2015 17:05:47 GMT
bet pinasco will charge a bit for ,half a metre of rubber, if partenen can find em online cheaper an its similar/equivalent material i'd grab a handful ,still cant quite get my head round a "split rim tubeless" rim , shows how old i am .i'm wondering wether you can/its advisable to run "puncture gloop" in split/tubeless. on straight tubeless its reputation is very high for non-blowout/ no puncture an some claim it can help prevent a bad valve softening your tyres . though saying that i cant remember when i last had a flat tubeless tyre ,an thats without gloop , lucky maybe , H
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Post by vespasco on Jan 28, 2015 20:21:12 GMT
If its possible, post a full size profile of the rubber seal.... You never know, i may have something similar. (I have access to a good catalogue of rubber sealing strips (although not necessarily for scooters)! The puncture Goop! Is ok on tubless. But take into account the time when it comes to change tyres...could be messy. I've had goop in my tubes for about 5 years now. And will carry on doing so. Hard to say if it works for sure but ive had no punctures  I had 3 in one week before that!! But thats what you get when you live next door to a drawing pin factory  Coincidence or not? You dedide!! |
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Post by shipscat on Jan 28, 2015 22:22:40 GMT
ive been looking at alternative crank seals 'n' stuff concerning my tuning engine on 8" wheels project
it seems you can get pretty much any thing you want you just need to know the size of the o ring/seal you need you can even have them custom made for what you need
there are lots seal manufacturers in the uk (Google oil seal manufacturers) i was gob smacked !!!
buy yourself a decent vernier calliper is a very useful tool to have in your tool box
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Post by david888 on Jan 28, 2015 22:44:55 GMT
As I have stated I ride with Pinasco split rims , the O rings are not expensive and cost £8.00 which I think is very reasonable , VE scooter parts in the UK now stock them , but I sourced mine from Italy , I have always used a puncture inhibiting gel in tubeless tyres and have used the same in the Pinascos , I find that it gives an extra bit of security . The reason why I went with the Pinascos was to make tyre changes as hassle free as possible , no more spoilt rims , or paying someone to change tyres .
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Post by henri on Jan 29, 2015 9:02:04 GMT
the only reason to have em ^^^^^, oh that they look sweet is just a bonus , at 8.00 being tight i'd always be tempted to re-use em, i think i'd look for cheaper alternatives ,tho as there 1/2 the price i think the sip rims would tempt me an i'd live with the harder changes , that an i dont think pinascos do the wider cosa rim .H
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Post by partanen on Jan 29, 2015 9:53:10 GMT
Pinascos surely cost a bit more, but I would get money back at first tyre change. I don't know how to change tyre for solid tubeless wheel without damage, so I would have to give the job for "professional", who would ruin the wheel anyway. So I would have to buy another pair of wheels.  Last summer went well without tubeless. Somehow I'd like to go tubeless. I was about to buy some puncture stuff, but label on side of bottle told that it can cause unbalance for the tyre. And that stuff was expensive. Michelin S83 seems to wear pretty soon. One at rear lasted 2500km. I should have changed it from rear to front earlier to get some more mileage. Anyway these small tyres needs some work more often, so I would like it be easy. As easy it could be with split wheels. |
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Post by partanen on Jan 30, 2015 9:33:58 GMT
Probably language barrier. I asked from Scooter-Center if they have spare O-rings for Pinasco rims. He didn't understand what I mean. He asked if I mean inner tube.
Looks like Pinasco doesn't offer spare O-rings for these. At least I couldn't find part number for it.
He said Pinasco wheels would fit for my 2003 PX200.
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Post by vespasco on Jan 30, 2015 12:28:39 GMT
I also swap the faster wearing rear tyre to the front.
And those S83s are very fast wearing...i also used to use them but only got about 2k from them (on rear). Rubbish!
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Post by partanen on Jan 30, 2015 15:46:33 GMT
Soft rubber gives better grip?
Scooter Center answered, that they cannot find O-rings for Pinasco wheels from their shop. No kidding!
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Post by vespasco on Jan 30, 2015 16:57:38 GMT
Wow! So everytime you change tyres you need to buy new rims too!! Nice! I have all season tyres fitted which seem to last much longer |
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Post by partanen on Mar 8, 2015 11:54:26 GMT
Scooter Center failed to answer me if they could offer o-rings for sale in near future.
So I could not decide if I want Pinasco split wheels. I have year old Piaggio steel wheels already. It was difficult to get S83 of from the wheel. How difficult it would be to remove S83 from Pinasco wheels. Then there is Sip tubeless wheel option.
Sorry, but it's so hard to decide.
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Post by partanen on Mar 10, 2015 11:03:14 GMT
I finally decided to order polished Pinasco wheels. Let's see how it goes. I'll try to find heavy machinery spare part shop and ask if they could sell me spare O-rings.
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Post by vespasco on Mar 10, 2015 22:25:35 GMT
Good call Partanen! I hope it works out well for you. Let us all know how you get on |
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Post by partanen on Mar 22, 2015 10:10:07 GMT
To be honest I'm not 100% satisfied for Pinasco wheels. "Polished" wasn't as polished as I expected. Alloy is pretty soft, and there was a small dent already when I took it out of the box. Some slight scratches came during the assembly. Nothing major, but visible. 2 o-rings costs 23 euro.  |
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Post by vespasco on Mar 22, 2015 10:41:24 GMT
They look like some serious wheels So you sourced the O rings ok!? |
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Post by partanen on Mar 22, 2015 10:52:08 GMT
Yes, I bought o-rings from a local gasket supplier here in Finland. I guess it's possible to find cheaper supplier from somewhere.
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Post by partanen on Mar 22, 2015 11:21:04 GMT
Dimensions for the o-ring is 234,62 X 2,62 (mm), and material is NBR70. That's what the receipt says. In case anyone is about to order o-rings online.
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Post by sime66 on Sept 29, 2015 20:05:40 GMT
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Post by partanen on Sept 30, 2015 10:52:40 GMT
Good upgrade from Pinasco. Now it's probably possible to inflate high pressures even if wheel isn't fitted (in? to? Or for? I'm sorry I don't know which word suits) scooter.
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Post by sime66 on Sept 30, 2015 20:06:06 GMT
Possibly you could, but Scootercentre, where I saw the Pinasco V2.0 rims, still links to here for info: www.scooter-center.com/medias/sys_master/8907163336734/Pr%C3%BCfbericht%20(7676070N).pdf.pdf...which still says: “Inflate it again according to your own use (max 3.0 bar) ONLY AFTER ASSEMBLED ON THE DRUM”...which suggests not. I hadn't thought much about that before, but it means you can't carry a fully inflated split tubeless spare either; didn't realise that. |
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Post by partanen on Oct 1, 2015 15:38:45 GMT
If memory serves, limit is 1.8 bar when wheel isn't fitted to wheel hub. You can manage with that pressure if or when you change spare wheel. At least it's better than flat tyre.
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Post by henri on Oct 1, 2015 19:38:11 GMT
so when fitting how do ya pop the tyre up onto the rim/bead if not allowed to over-pressure them , sorry, but colour me perplexed , not a major concern as its a state of being for me , H
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Post by sime66 on Oct 1, 2015 21:12:11 GMT
Partenen remembers correctly; it's 1.8 bar (26 psi), so OK (ish) I'm not up on tubeless fitting; will it do? The method is in the pdf I posted above yesterday^^
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Post by partanen on Oct 2, 2015 10:19:24 GMT
I couldn't open the pdf.
I had other bolts and nuts tightened when I popped the tyre on wheel. Bolt and nut for every hole while popping, to prevent halves to separate. Good idea for steel wheels as well.
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I had 3 in one week before that!! But thats what you get when you live next door to a drawing pin factory 
