ltm01
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Post by ltm01 on Jan 10, 2014 22:57:49 GMT
I have inherited a 1991 PX 200 E and I know little about them so I would appreciate your advice. The spare wheel is missing and I am not sure about what I need.
I have done some web research but have mainly found photos of the spare wheel behind it's cover/protector so I am not sure about what to look for. Am I needing a full rim with tyre?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Robjack on Jan 11, 2014 0:05:19 GMT
Yes, you will need the full rim with tyre and innertube. Presumably you're talking about the mounting under the near side panel, if so you should find a couple of studs for the fully inflated wheel to hang on there. Two nuts and it's fitted. The plastic cover that you often see hanging below the sidepanel has a single bolt that goes through the lowest hole of the rim, but that's optional. The wheel is just as secure without. Other covers are available that stretch over the full wheel, many with extremely tasteless designs.
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Post by Vespresso on Jan 11, 2014 7:55:25 GMT
Hi. Congratulations on your inheritance, and welcome to the world of Vespas. A P200E is exactly the same as a P125E, with the only exception being the engine. The front wheel and rear wheel are identical and interchangeable, so one spare will suit both. I have found a spare wheel on eBay with tyre and tube which will suit your needs, there are others on there so the choice is yours, this one seems to be the best price, which seems fair! Happy scootering. item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=261288046320
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ltm01
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Post by ltm01 on Jan 11, 2014 12:19:09 GMT
Thanks guys,much appreciated!
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Post by Vespresso on Jan 11, 2014 16:49:54 GMT
Thanks guys,much appreciated! Your welcome, let us know how you get on.
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Post by sbwnik on Jan 11, 2014 21:08:34 GMT
Quick hint... If you get a pair of rear shock extender nuts (they're just long nuts with an 8mm thread) and fasten them over the two studs that the spare mounts from, then you can fasten the wheel on the opposite way to normal. This means the valve can be accessed while the wheel is fastened to the scooter.
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Post by kru251 on Jan 11, 2014 23:45:05 GMT
Good one NIk!
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Post by sbwnik on Jan 13, 2014 19:43:54 GMT
I'll not pretend it's always easy to get everything to line up, but it's worth messing around with for the overall ease.
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Post by partanen on Jan 21, 2014 15:40:20 GMT
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Post by swm on Jan 26, 2014 13:38:03 GMT
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Post by partanen on Jan 26, 2014 18:21:23 GMT
I received my wheel a couple of days ago. I thought I was lucky because rim was italian made, brand called F.A. Italia. Well, something has to be done before this meets my requirements. Maybe holes are too small for the bolts. I may have to drill holes a bit larger, or replace the bolts. But works as spare wheel as it is, I think.
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Post by sbwnik on Jan 26, 2014 22:46:22 GMT
I don't see what I'm looking at, other than the usual slightly warped rims (Another food reason to use tubeless!)
SIP Performers? Not bad in the warm and dry, they take a lot of warming up and hate the wet.
Just remember that any spare you fit may need to be used at any time.
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Post by partanen on Jan 27, 2014 10:25:24 GMT
I don't think it's warped, but halves doesn't fit perfectly together. I managed to reduce the gap when I opened and tightened nuts again.
I ordered a pair of Piaggio branded rims. Let's hope they are better made. I like divided rims because I can change tyres more easily. I ordered mounting paste and talcum powder as well to do things properly this time.
One of my existing rims was warped. I think that someone have treated it badly while changing the tyre.
Now that I have seen cheap divided rim I'm not sure if I want to buy cheap tubeless rim.
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Post by sbwnik on Jan 29, 2014 20:42:51 GMT
I've seen very few split rims that look like that.
And tubeless rims aren't cheap at over fifty quid a wheel. But worth it.
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Post by swm on Jan 31, 2014 12:39:46 GMT
I'm after a pair of split rims myself and am undecided between Piaggio or FA Italia . Not much in em pricewise. What you reckon ?
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Post by sbwnik on Jan 31, 2014 21:40:11 GMT
I reckon tubeless. Much safer and improve the handling a lot.
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Post by partanen on Feb 1, 2014 10:36:44 GMT
I definitely reckon Piaggio rims if you decide to use divided rims. Piaggio's bolts fits without problems and halves fits together right away. I managed to find Piaggio rims for 30€ each. www.scooter-center.com/product/5800010/Wheel+rim+PIAGGIO+210+10+steel+Vespa+type+PX+grey?meta=5800010*scd_ALL_en*s841279222128*rim%20px*11*11*1*16I should have said: "Now that I have seen cheap divided rim I'm not sure if I want to buy cheap est tubeless rim." If quality goes together with the price like it goes with these divided rims and many other things too. Is tube type tyre really so dangerous? Does is explode in case of puncture or how it goes? I have opportunity to try as I have old tyre, tube and wheel. Maybe I should make a video?
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Post by sbwnik on Feb 2, 2014 0:01:30 GMT
Yes. A tube deflates immediately, like a balloon, while a tubeless tyre goes down very slowly, enabling you to take defensive action. Look at it this way - it's a lot cheaper to make split rims than tubeless, but why do you think that every motorcycle on the market uses tubeless?
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Post by partanen on Feb 2, 2014 14:10:25 GMT
Can you change the tire yourself without marks on the tubeless rim?
Surely split rim is old fashioned, but that's why I like it. Maybe some day I buy tubeless rims and that's why I'm asking.
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Post by partanen on Feb 6, 2014 16:17:49 GMT
Looks like assembly needs some force as usual. Dents or marks are unavoidable, am I right? Proper tyre machine would help but I don't have one, at least yet.
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Post by henri on Feb 19, 2014 9:46:15 GMT
swm ask's italia or piaggio rims .i normally get piaggio but being skintish last summer went for a tyre/tube/rim deal for my daily hack .tube an tyre was michelin (airstop/s83)no problem there .rims where italia and as i assembled them 1 of the studs sheared off clean .was using a torque wrench an was only at 10 foot/pounds,i like to go round at that an then nip up to 14/15 foot/pounds final torque. have checked the wrench an its accurate .so old rims back on an ive a italia rim i'm not happy using as a spare.as swm said there aint much difference in price between piaggio an italia ,if ya value your skin go piaggio or if ya can scrape up the pennys tubeless is best.H
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Post by sbwnik on Feb 19, 2014 20:42:53 GMT
Most shops will pop you a tyre on a tubeless rim for a fiver an end. To me, that's ten quid well spent.
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Post by kru251 on Feb 21, 2014 8:20:48 GMT
Well, for ease of use and authenticity on the "Jimmy" replica, I have to use tube tyres in my Lammies. I use a product called GLOOP (other brands are available on eBay as this was) inside the tube itself which if a puncture occurs 'should' slow down that outflow of air to a style that mimics tubeless tyre deflation when punctured. Supposed to stop that explosive loss of air.
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Post by partanen on Mar 3, 2015 8:56:14 GMT
Quick hint... If you get a pair of rear shock extender nuts (they're just long nuts with an 8mm thread) and fasten them over the two studs that the spare mounts from, then you can fasten the wheel on the opposite way to normal. This means the valve can be accessed while the wheel is fastened to the scooter. Does anyone remember which rear shock extender nuts are correct length? For example Scooter Center offers 3 different lenghts for PX 200. Piaggio's nut seems to be 48mm www.scooter-center.com/explosion/id/N_Vespa_PX200_7_Tafel_45/C_V_ZAPM18?p=4940058&match=CAT#prdexplThey also have 43mm and 35mm nuts for the same purpose.
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Post by partanen on Mar 4, 2015 20:32:24 GMT
Surely I could measure the correct length by myself. Still a lot of time before season starts. I was pondering if 48mm is too long. Is there enough room for spare wheel still?
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Post by vespasco on Mar 4, 2015 21:07:04 GMT
Put the wheel on 'backwards' and measure the gap!? You can also get Pinasco tubeless split rims
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Post by partanen on Mar 4, 2015 21:31:09 GMT
That's what I'm going to do. I was just lazy. Let's blame the internet. I'm gonna tell you which length is good when I sort this out.
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Post by partanen on Mar 8, 2015 19:54:11 GMT
So far it looks like 20 to 25mm extender nut would be good. Is 35mm too much? Is there enough room? We'll see.
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Post by vespasco on Mar 8, 2015 20:30:18 GMT
You may get away with just using the longest one, cut in half!! ??
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bsr65
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Post by bsr65 on Mar 9, 2015 9:54:31 GMT
You can buy kits to do this for £12.99. (3 spacers 26mm plus Allen screws) l recently bought 10 spacers off eBay for £2.80. Think I typed in m8 long but. Hth.
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