kipper
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Post by kipper on Jul 11, 2017 11:50:51 GMT
I am sure this must have been asked before but I cannot find anything so firstly my apologies if you've already answered this...
my PX125 is currently running with Silkolene, Classic 2 Stroke, Synthetic, Low Smoke engine oil. 2T and yes I did just read that straight form the bottle.
I want to change to Rock Oil or something similar but have been given some differing opinions. Anyway given most of the people that seem to want to tell me their opinions are nowhere near as knowledgeable as the people on here, I thought I would put it out there.
Is Rock Oil as good as I am lead to believe or is there something better?
Many thanks guys n girls
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Post by mijapxman on Jul 11, 2017 12:35:50 GMT
Kipper, why are you thinking about changing oil? Mate.
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Post by kipper on Jul 11, 2017 12:39:58 GMT
Kipper, why are you thinking about changing oil? Mate. I am planning to do an oil change and in conversation was told that Rock Oil was 'the bo**ocks' and although a little expensive was worth the extra. I do also think that there is a little "cos it smells nice" factor in with that comment too though. |
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Post by bryno on Jul 11, 2017 12:47:44 GMT
That would be relevant if you were using a mineral oil and changing to a semi or fully synthetic 2 stroke, but the silkolene is already a semi or fully synth and a decent brand, personally I'd not waste my money buying anything more expensive, oil is oil reagardles of the brand on the tin, all made to the same industry standards, I'd just avoid budget brands you've never heard of.
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Post by bryno on Jul 11, 2017 12:55:06 GMT
What do you mean oil change? are you sure you don't mean you want to use Rock Oil SAE 30 in your gearbox?
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kipper
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Post by kipper on Jul 11, 2017 12:58:56 GMT
That would be relevant if you were using a mineral oil and changing to a semi or fully synthetic 2 stroke, but the silkolene is already a semi or fully synth and a decent brand, personally I'd not waste my money buying anything more expensive, oil is oil reagardles of the brand on the tin, all made to the same industry standards, I'd just avoid budget brands you've never heard of. Yes, the Silkolene is fully synthetic Bryno. Good point well made. I would never use a cheap budget brand. As I say, I mentioned about changing oil and a couple said rock oil was best. Point is, how can it be better than the decent one I've already got? I think you've made my mind up for me, leave as is. |
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Post by henri on Jul 11, 2017 16:25:16 GMT
personal opinion but ,not alone in this . fully synthetics is to good for scooters , it doesnt coat the bore an actually prevents running in properly .its made for high bhp crossers that run on much finer tolerances .my practice is on tuned or nicasil/ali barrelled scoots 2-3 tanks of mineral oil ,pre-mix that is ,to speed the bedding/running in process an then semi synth .on stock motors i run what they were designed for ,mineral oil ,usually from lawnmower section of local builders merchants or garden centre .theres usually cheap semi there aswell for chainsaws , my logic being theres only 2 firms make 2 stroke in europe,all to the same standards .the "brands" have slightly different ratios of additives an that "expensive" picture of a crosser or scoot on bottle .
for semi , its kept in a shed ,ran at full throttle an gets fettled/sharpened regularly ,which is it my tuned scoot or my swedish saw .
for mineral, its kept in a leaky shed ,not maintained or cleaned,run at full throttle an put away wet ,which is it my daily hack or my lawnmower .
an let the slagging an argument begin . H
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Post by mijapxman on Jul 11, 2017 17:33:57 GMT
Henri, I agree and would add a slight twist semi (OR) fully synthetic on revy steel barrels (166) with big carb and revy expansion, when doing high-speed big mileage touring.
Semi (OR) fully synthetic on highly tuned alloy kits, when doing big mileage touring.
All premix😉
Depends on the price of semi or full at the time😉.
Only reason being, the above has worked for me in the past.😉
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Post by bryno on Jul 11, 2017 19:22:26 GMT
I think that's the general concensus, personally all my scooters are standard non kitted engines and I always use semi synthetic, in the tens of thousands of miles I've done, never had a seizure, so feel no need to spend more on fully synthetic personally. If I had a highly tuned motor I probably would do fully synth.
I have used a couple of litres of mineral oil in my commuter, but in my defence it was Castrol and a deal too good to miss :-)
I don't risk the 'chainsaw grade' no brand stuff!
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Post by ironsloth on Jul 11, 2017 20:10:40 GMT
I use Lucas 2 stroke oil (eBay number:- 301347530021) the yanks know exactly what they're doing with oils, they've had enough wars over it!! I've used PJ1, Putoline (they do a strawberry flavour?!?!), Halfords brand, Rock Oil, and the best by far I feel is Lucas. I get it from my local shop (4 bottles, £20) as I've had problems with all the others apart from Putoline, I just couldn't get it cheap enough (had a contact direct from a distributor near me). I would recommend this to anyone who wants to try a new oil, but I wouldn't go as far as saying Henri and Mij are wrong by any means. All I would say is ones Scottish and ones Scouse..... 😁 (got the flak jacket on ready.... 😆).
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kipper
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Post by kipper on Jul 11, 2017 20:16:47 GMT
Ok thanks guys. I guess I will just leave as is. I suppose the general opinion is fully synthetic is too good but that's what I am currently running with the Silkolene so will stick with that. Rather that than go 'backwards' to semi synthetic. I am happy to pay for the fully synth so as long as it stands I'll stay with it.
Huge thanks for the advice/opinion. I am genuinely glad I asked and didn't just go for 'what a fella in the pub' reckoned.
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Post by ironsloth on Jul 11, 2017 20:53:58 GMT
Silkolene is good, well known stuff... I must be one of very few scooterboys who thinks the stuff smells bloody awful! I remember now I used it for a bit, but the shop I used ran out one day when I was desperate, which is why I used PJ1 for a fair while. If it's running well, you have a good supply and you're happy, stick with it. Out of curiosity, has anyone used strawberry Putoline??
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Post by mijapxman on Jul 11, 2017 21:48:40 GMT
Ironsloth, my mate Jon, uses/used the strawberry oil on a DR177 Px and LML 125/2stroke, 20mls a day commute and says it's fine, he is a tight wad, tho😂.
and when you think about the quality of 2stroke oil when Vespa first started recommending a 2%mix on standard scooters and right up to the premix PX's when they where brand new scoots, as standard those scoots had more power , but ran on cheaper/ inferior? oil, than the last strangled PX's, but ran fine!
Imho
Mij😉
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Post by mijapxman on Jul 11, 2017 22:06:57 GMT
And before anyone says it, I know about plugs "whiskering" and decokeing as the oil didn't burn as clean,
but at least you didn't seize 😉 lol, also think of the quality of oil used in scoots, in third world countries, or by young, skint rally goers in the 70's and 80's.😉
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Post by henri on Jul 12, 2017 7:15:00 GMT
my mate uses the strawberry ,as local scooter shop sells it cheap ,coz ruffty-tufty scooter boys wont buy it an he's got a load .he's had no problems so far ,apart from a few funny looks .
1 thing about fully synth ,if pre-mixing on high bhp/race crossers the advice use to be not to use fuel thats been stood more than a hour after mixing.as the oil was prone to separate out over time.not a problem for auto-lubers ,an also dont think a scooter engine would grenade like a crosser over a variable % of oil supply .those crossers are running on the edge of destruction at all times already ,so 1 small variation an its "suck,squeeze,seize" time .
i think the modern oils arent prone to separate so much,but its another factor to consider ,choosing a oils a minefield ,an a argument/discussion thats eternal .well at least until oil runs out an we all go electric ,then it will be which type of battery ,wind or solar ,etc . H
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Post by mijapxman on Jul 12, 2017 12:44:05 GMT
Thought I'd add: any premix scoot I've had, I always take it off the stand and give the scoot a good rocking side to side, then start it and do the same again as it's warming up. You get some strange looks as your doing it from passers-by, but I like to know the oil is mixed well with the petrol in the tank!😱 as I warm my scooters up.😉 Which got me also thinking about warming a scooter up before use, the amount of scooters I've seen started and driven away without a warm-up seems strange to me. A nephew of mine had one of these www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/aprilia/aprilia_rs12596.htm. A few years ago and it had a temperature gauge on the dash, that said something like " Do not use untill temp is at least 45°C, I thought it was a good looking (Italian) 👌wee bike and liked Aprilia's attempt to get young loons to have some mechanical sympathy!😉 Ride safe. Mij☺ |
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Post by citydaz on Jul 14, 2017 14:04:07 GMT
my thoughts on this are:
highly tuned engine use synthetic
mildly tuned engine use semi-synthetic
standard engine use mineral
choose your own brand depending on names, pretty pictures, shape of bottle, cost.
Personally i use silkolene because i think it sounds nice as a name and silk is of course very smooth.
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Post by scooterg on Aug 16, 2017 15:58:20 GMT
Ok found this post so better put it on here,,Get it off someone's intro page
I have a Px 125 with a 166 kit
Rock oil semi synthetic is good enough for this engine
Or should I stick with fully
Running 3%
So doesn't last long
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Post by RWS74 on Aug 16, 2017 20:51:27 GMT
.....so I went with the PIAGGIO recommended AGIP brand & had what was either oil flow issues or slight soft seize at higher speed etc, tried Castrol race synthetic & same problem. Tried Putolin Classic & same problem.
Tried Putolin Scooter plus synthetic and my Scoot runs like a dream for last 4 liters of the stuff. £14 a bottle and worth every penny.
2014 PX125 (150 cylinder & sip 2.0)
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Post by ironsloth on Aug 16, 2017 21:00:47 GMT
Mines a PX 166 Malossi running a Scorpion exhaust, and a moron operator. Autolube bypassed, run super unleaded very occasionally (very...) and a spark plug think it's a ngk bp8es, I forget now. Dam things idiot proof, wish it was rustproof.... No problems for the past 5+ years now, could be 7, again can't remember. Poor thing runs everyday using Lucas 2t oil, works a treat for me. £6 a litre bottle, 4 for £20, and its up the road from me!
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Post by ironsloth on Aug 16, 2017 21:05:48 GMT
Despite the Silkolene name, I think it smells like fetid sh*t siphoned through an old tramps sock, mixed with rotten eat meat from the local curry house.... I hate curry.... I do hate it when the git in front uses Silkolene, but you can't deny the stuff is good.... Think I'd rather sh*t in my hands and clap than sniff that stuff through a scoot exhaust again....
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kipper
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Post by kipper on Aug 17, 2017 9:58:47 GMT
Despite the Silkolene name, I think it smells like fetid sh*t siphoned through an old tramps sock, mixed with rotten eat meat from the local curry house.... I hate curry.... I do hate it when the git in front uses Silkolene, but you can't deny the stuff is good.... Think I'd rather sh*t in my hands and clap than sniff that stuff through a scoot exhaust again.... Bugger!! And there was me thinking there might be a market for Silkolene after-shave ;-) |
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Post by swm on Aug 17, 2017 16:18:52 GMT
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Post by phattanglo on Aug 17, 2017 17:10:45 GMT
Despite the Silkolene name, I think it smells like fetid sh*t siphoned through an old tramps sock, mixed with rotten eat meat from the local curry house.... I hate curry.... I do hate it when the git in front uses Silkolene, but you can't deny the stuff is good.... Think I'd rather sh*t in my hands and clap than sniff that stuff through a scoot exhaust again.... Your not keen on it then😀 |
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Post by scooterg on Aug 17, 2017 18:22:03 GMT
Swm
Looks like a good price,,think I'll give it a try .
cheers
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Post by swm on Aug 17, 2017 19:19:15 GMT
Shh ! Scooterg put in discount code se001 (se zero zero one) forra extra few quid off ! 😉
Cheers .
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Post by scooterg on Aug 18, 2017 11:17:15 GMT
Cheers for the code 👍
Ordered it today,,some difference from the £13 a ltr,Even more when running 3%
Just seems to disappear
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