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Post by moomoo on Mar 1, 2015 21:57:18 GMT
Hello all,
I'm new here and have just joined the forum to see if I could get some help with my bike. The bike is in the middle of being restored. I bought the bike about 6 years ago and when I bought it it was black (literally. It looked at as though it had been hand painted. I had it sand blasted back to bare metal and repainted etc.The chrome work has been done and the rest of the parts that needed powder coating have been done.
This is where the problem begins.
I informed the DVLA of changes made to the bike including colour etc and sent the attached part of the log book to notify them. I noticed at the time that the VIN number did not match that on the log book so gave them the number that is stamped on the frame. I wanted the bike to be completely legal and above board.
They have now sent me a letter saying there is a discrepancy between the frame number and the documentation that I sent them. They have now sent me some forms to fill in and want photos of the bike.
They said I wont be able to keep the original registration mark. I hope theyre not going to issue me with a 'Q' plate.
The above is a long story cut short.
Has anyone had any dealings of this sort? I'd be glad of some information
Moomoo
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Post by moomoo on Mar 1, 2015 22:05:27 GMT
Have I dropped a clanger?
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Post by pxguru on Mar 2, 2015 9:26:19 GMT
My first thoughts are for all the people who have ever had a scooter stolen! It is a bit suspicious. You were right to tell them though. Legit is the only way. If it checks out ok, they will probably just give you the correct registration for the frame you have. If it was knicked it would have just been cut down so I am thinking it will all work out fine
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Post by henri on Mar 2, 2015 9:29:18 GMT
they will prob ask you to provide a dating certificate ,7-15 quid dependant on which club you ask, then apply for a new age related non-transferable reg number , its 55 quid plus cost of havin a plate made ,years tax 17 quid ,an youve got to be insured ,carole nash are best company for insurance on a frame number , H
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Post by moomoo on Mar 2, 2015 10:20:15 GMT
Hi
Thanks for your replies. I have sent all the documentation to DVLA along with some photos of the frame number. Can I ask you Henri about the numbers.
There are three sets of numbers and letters.There's a top number then a middle number ie...VSX1T and then a bottom number that begins and ends with a 'star'.
Could you tell me which of these numbers is the actual VIN number or are the whole set read in conjunction.
The problem I have is that the bottom set of numbers look as though they may have been tampered with. Ive sent about 10 sets of photos of the numbers to DVLA And an explanation of how I see the numbers. The top and middle set of numbers are absolutely irrefutable ...it's the bottom set I'm worried about.
If I had known earlier I would have had the numbers stamped on the frame that matched the log book.....if that's legal. Too late though now.
I just hope they don't want to give me a Q plate. I understand theyre hard to insure. There' a lot of effort gone into the bike.
Btw if theres anywhere to post images I will. I tried yesterday but it said this website has reached it limit for images...or words to that effect.
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Post by doulsy on Mar 2, 2015 10:37:11 GMT
Frame number is the one between the stars, this happened to me, frame number did not match the reg number, they ended up giving me the original reg number for that frame, took a while though.
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Post by rab on Mar 2, 2015 10:40:49 GMT
You say stars if it has stars at begining and end it's an Indian import frame
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Post by moomoo on Mar 2, 2015 10:44:39 GMT
When did they start importing from India?
The frame itself when it was stripped looked quite old.
Do you know if there's anywhere else except DVLA who can verify the frame numbers?
Would it be wise to post an image of the numbers on the site so you could see them or is there a private message service on this site?
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Post by moomoo on Mar 2, 2015 11:13:18 GMT
Frame number is the one between the stars, this happened to me, frame number did not match the reg number, they ended up giving me the original reg number for that frame, took a while though. Is there any way I could get in touch with you? I dont know if youre allowed to leave phone numbers on site. It's a bit frustrating trying to explain everything by trying to post everything on here.
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Post by henri on Mar 2, 2015 15:37:17 GMT
what do stars look like , a single joined up line in a 5 point star is older italian type ,a load of crossed lines making a "starburst" =indian , also itialian markings are deep regular an inline ,indian ones look like a blind epilectic with a itchy trigger finger on a steam hammer , you say 3 sets of numbers , with starred ones bottom an pre fix in middle ,the vsx1t , does the top start with IGM , as thats a european quality number an means def itialian as indians didnt use it , an any dating certificate issuing club can help with numbers ,an also some have succsess e mailing piaggio n askin politely , the dvla is generally reluctant to issue q plates nowadays so thats not really a issue , ask/private message doulsy or do a search on his past threads ,all the info's there mate , you can leave numbers up here ,but as its a open forum its generally not advised ,do it by PM , same goes for addresses/engine-frame numbers /personal security type stuff ,ok, H
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Post by moomoo on Mar 2, 2015 15:41:43 GMT
Can I Private message you Henri please?
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Post by moomoo on Mar 12, 2015 18:04:50 GMT
Ive applied for date authentication for the bike to BLA (British Lambretta archive) for £7. The DVLA have asked for it. I dont know how long it will take.
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Post by doulsy on Mar 12, 2015 20:37:47 GMT
Ive applied for date authentication for the bike to BLA (British Lambretta archive) for £7. The DVLA have asked for it. I dont know how long it will take. that mean they dont have any records of your frame number? still if they have asked for authentication and you give it, will they give you a reg from that year?
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Post by moomoo on Mar 12, 2015 21:54:42 GMT
Will I have to pay anything else doulsy? Did you?.......how long did it take you to get your date certificate? I cant remember if you said you got one.
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Post by doulsy on Mar 12, 2015 22:24:21 GMT
Will I have to pay anything else doulsy? Did you?.......how long did it take you to get your date certificate? I cant remember if you said you got one. never needed one m8 although some people suggested i send one, i told them i researched my frame on scooterhelp.com and that told me what vespa i had, explained to them what the prefix numbers and letters ment, have you spoken to someone? ask if the frame number has come up on the dvla system? did you look on scooter help?
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Post by moomoo on Mar 12, 2015 22:31:24 GMT
Yes I did go on scooter help and it said the frame numbers were a P200E. It doesn't tell you anything else though doulsy.
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Post by doulsy on Mar 12, 2015 22:55:38 GMT
Yes I did go on scooter help and it said the frame numbers were a P200E. It doesn't tell you anything else though doulsy. sure when i did it it gave me the year 1978, think they only made the p200e between 78 and 81, maybe best getting the dating certificate to keep things right moomoo.
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Post by moomoo on Mar 12, 2015 23:23:57 GMT
Sorry doulsy it DID SAY it was a 1980 P200E. I wonder why DVLA dont have that information. You would think they held every morsel of information about all 'legitimate' vehicles in the UK.
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Post by doulsy on Mar 12, 2015 23:49:04 GMT
Sorry doulsy it DID SAY it was a 1980 P200E. I wonder why DVLA dont have that information. You would think they held every morsel of information about all 'legitimate' vehicles in the UK. the new docs they sent me dont say p200e although i know it is, its just says 1978 vespa douglas 200cc
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Post by henri on Mar 13, 2015 9:04:12 GMT
dvla are always losing records , if not sorned/taxed for long time your reg number drops off there radar an gets lost , its a bit of a scam is my thoughts , as that means they can re-issue/sell that number again , my last dating letter from the archive took 7 days to turn up , then it was fill in the form (v55 i think) insure with carole nash on frame number an send 55 quid for reg ,35 for tax an 2 weeks later v5c turned up, 20 mins later i walked out the shop 20 quid lighter but with a reg plate in hand , i say use carole nash in case of delays ,other firms want a reg number within 28 days or policy gets cancelled an they charge you 35 for that ,an 25 to change policy from chassis number to reg number , nash just downgrade the policy at 28 days to fire/theft ,no third party ,no fee , an when reg number turns up change policy for free , they aint the cheapest insurers but are good an give free "smart**ter" security an do agreed value on there classic scooter policys ,+scrap/recovery rights if written off/damaged . H
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Post by bryno on Mar 13, 2015 12:23:20 GMT
Sorry if I have not kept up with all the detail here but my thoughts are;
- The scooters ID is the frame number, not the reg plate, hence you will not keep the plate you have now as that relates to the scooter on the V5, which is clearly not the one you actually have.
- The V5 you have is now worthless
- You are now starting the process to register the scooter from scratch, hence you need the dating cert (and MOT, insurance, and NOVA paperwork to complete the process).
- Assuming that frame number is not recorded as stolen or scrapped you will get either:
1. The orginal 1980 plate that went with that frame number 2. An alternative age related plate if that frame number is not on the DVLA system today (a lot of numbers were not transferred over to the new system in the 1980's)
The only other scenarios are:
1. The DVLA have that frame number as stolen/scrapped and you will not get it registered 2. You don't manage to get a dating cert and they will issue you a Q plate
But given that you have a claer frame number an Italian (Not Indian) prefix and it shows up on Scooterhelp, I don't think you have a problem there
Sure it will all work out ok, but personally I would be asking the DVLA if there is any 'police interest' in that frame number before you put any more time and money into it.
Hope that helps!
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Post by doulsy on Mar 13, 2015 13:38:58 GMT
Yes you really need to have a chat with someone at the dvla, i didn't have to provide anything.
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Post by moomoo on Apr 16, 2015 14:12:58 GMT
Hurray! At last! My letter's come from the BLA. I've sent it off to the DVLA so that things can get moving again. The excitement is unbearable! * Whistle and hum* I think it's because things haven't moved for a while and now maybe some progress. I've asked what the next step/s are and how long the process will be from here. I know you lads have told me what the process is but I want to hear what DVLA themselves have to say. I didn't want to MOT or insure it until all the work has been completed otherwise it'll end up getting left...Anyway I'm hoping they'll issue me with a new reg without further ado....fingers crossed.
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Post by bryno on Apr 16, 2015 20:31:21 GMT
Cool, sounds like you are about there :-)
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Post by doulsy on Apr 18, 2015 21:26:09 GMT
DVLA must be a bit slow just now, sent my licence and p200 log book away about 6 weeks ago to change colour on my log book and photo on my licence, had both back after a week, sent my logbook away again to change engine number and also sent my camper log book away to change some details, that was a few weeks ago and not heard anything, they must get busy when the new registrations come out, i was just thinking out loud there
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Post by henri on Apr 19, 2015 16:03:40 GMT
there quicker when moneys involved ,strangely , when its changing details /free an just work to em its always at back of cash jobs , an new regs is big money to em , at 55 a pop , it soon adds up to tidy sum/cash mountain , them bean counters dont count beans for free , unbelievable i know but true .H
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Post by moomoo on Apr 21, 2015 9:00:21 GMT
Hi all ...
I'm a bit down in the mouth again. The lady dealing with my re-registration has passed my 'case' onto another person. The new chap says the authentication frame letter is not sufficient evidence to carry on with the application. He now wants a date authentication of the engine AND the forks, suspension and wheels! I'm wondering how many hoops I have to jump through? The red tape is unbelievable! Why didnt they ask for this information from the outset? I have waited almost six weeks to get the frame numbers date authenticated and now it looks like another long wait. Any hopes of the scooter being ready for this summer are looking increasingly doubtful. No wonder people pull their hair out at the snail pace these pen pushers operate at! Oooh! I could f****g swear!
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Post by Dox on Apr 21, 2015 9:28:57 GMT
Did you send MOT certificate and insurance certificate with your authentication letter as that is normally all the paperwork they require along with payment of £55
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Post by doulsy on Apr 21, 2015 15:12:04 GMT
Seems like the guy is talking sh*t, how can you get documetation about wheels and forks? Send him a recorded letter with pictures of the wheels and forks and explain to him what the prefix numbers mean on the engine, tell him to look it up on scooter help, engine has nothing to do with it anyway, tell him i said he's an @rsehole.
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Post by Dox on Apr 21, 2015 15:19:39 GMT
Just spoke to my mate who registered a series 1 lambretta recently it took 2 weeks from sending nova forms to putting plate on scooter.He got nova number then authentication letter from Pete Davies sent original copy plus MOT and Insurance certificates, proof of name and address plus V55 form and cheque for £55 (no tax to pay as scooter is 1958) No hassle and all documentation returned.
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