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Post by phattanglo on Jan 24, 2015 20:45:00 GMT
I know what you mean, the last bike I had was a Yamaha 600, it'd do 70 in 2nd gear
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Post by henri on Jan 24, 2015 21:09:01 GMT
i run a xj600 naked for long distance , an for giggles , as rab says scoots have limits , its fun to explore em , but go over the line n oops , i run mine on s83's an that keeps me in line/reality. as gaz says ,tunettis is a disease only cured by a "radical walletectomy" an yes its as painful as it sounds , dont get me wrong but scoots have a place n they fit perfectly ,italian shopping bikes rule , H
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Post by vespasco on Jan 25, 2015 0:05:09 GMT
personaly anybody who wants to go faster than 70mph on 10 inch wheels on a uk road needs a slap lol was sat with a bunch of scooter sadhus the other night and the topic of speeds come up,,,should all uk vehicles be restricted to 70mph??? who can argue with that unless you go racing or autobahn bashing? why do we sell superbikes and supercars that can do 200mph on uk roads? if you walked into a dealership and the salesman offered you two vehicles,,one restricted the other full power,,and you only drive in the uk which would you take and why? I only want to 'be able to' go faster than 70mph!! ;D i I went 75mph once downhill etc...man! Thats scary on a 40year old vespa! Thats fast enough!! Thats a real 75mph too. Sip speedo/gps take your pick. (77mph on a car speedo). Ive never done a real 70mph on a stock p/x200. Possibly downhill etc with my chin on the speedo aswell. Should all vehicles be restricted to 70mph? I aint voting for that! The roads are slow enough as it is. People need to learn how to drive on dual carraige/motorways first and not sit in the middle lane. That alone would free up those roads. You really dont need to build any more lanes either. Then people could go even faster! Bring in speed de restrictions at night time on certain roads. In certain places 'speed-traffic lights' work well. Lastly but ultimately, speed limits should be compulsory! And on that bombsh...... Why do we sell these superbikes ......? The question is why do we buy them......? in the dealership ... If i was that rich id drive it to a ferry terminal and have a nice holiday abroad thanks very much hahaha! back on track...got that off me chest! Haha! Consider the lily...sorry i mean the T5. Ive never actually had one myself but am sure its the best engine 'vespa' made. 125cc - good for us in UK. Quick , fast and would give most p200 a run for their money im sure. Most tuning parts for 125/150 are cheaper than for the 200 aswell. Maybe not so for the T5 'tho'! 200s are virtually bullet proof in stock form. A tuned 125 is unlikely to last as long.
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Post by phattanglo on Jan 25, 2015 8:45:45 GMT
All true, speed is relative why would we over stress a scoot to squeezed another 5mph out when it would be cheaper to buy a bike. I was thinking about this last night and I realised I'm enjoying the scoot experience because of the slower pace not despite it.
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Post by rab on Jan 25, 2015 11:39:57 GMT
I was thinking about this last night and I realised I'm enjoying the scoot experience because of the slower pace not despite it. slower. more comfy. more fun . very friendly scene. the list of good reasons to ride a vespa or lammy gets longer there is no other bike that gives you the same bikes all come in 3 choices even most learner bikes now top 100 mph stupidly fast stupidly loud or fast and loud. i dont care what any biker tries to say as ive been one so i do know if you can ride it like you stole it you will
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Post by vespasco on Jan 25, 2015 13:22:45 GMT
Ive noticed that the slower you go the more fun you will have....mainly from people overtaking you/kids in the back, either looking in amazement and waving, or laughing and giving the bird! Either way! Makes me smile and breaks up those longer journeys. Keeping up with/going faster than the traffic is boring until your reach a speed (which is tooo fast for 10" wheels)! where people think..."wow!, look at that old scooter over taking that bus"!! Amazing!! Hahahha! I met a 'die hard' biker who had his first scooter experience (kitted 125) and he said he never smiled so much when on 2 wheels!
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Post by henri on Jan 25, 2015 16:53:18 GMT
my scoots stay in town mostly with the odd 10 mile local jaunts ,an is well fast enuff for that as is , my bikes sit at 65-75mph allday further out ,i avoid motorways as much as possible ,too boring an too many idiots on them , each make me smile but in different ways , horses for courses, H
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Post by phattanglo on Jan 29, 2015 16:03:49 GMT
Just received the Sito exhaust and it looks ok probably just a spray with another layer of paint needed.
I'm. A bit puzzled after trying to identify it on the Sito site as the tailpipe is a bit short for a std exhaust. I suspect looking at it, it could be a Sito +. If so should I put a bigger mj in as I don't want to seize it.
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Post by henri on Jan 29, 2015 18:25:00 GMT
the sito's did stop n restart manufacturing recently so that might explain the shorter tailpipe, the difference is in the downpipe ,if its 1 diameter top to bottom=standard ,if it gets wider towards box= sito+ , an up 2 sizes on the main an it should be sweet , H
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Post by phattanglo on Jan 29, 2015 19:29:38 GMT
Cheers H, sounds like it's a std then. So i can leave jetting as is right?
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Post by vespasco on Jan 29, 2015 20:06:42 GMT
As mentioned earlier, its not a sito. This is a stock pipe from india, very likely a copy of their LML 125/150 pipe. It will still be ok. So youd need stock jetting for the non cat/earlier px version...(whatever that is, i cant recall the figures)
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Post by phattanglo on Jan 29, 2015 20:57:27 GMT
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Post by vespasco on Jan 29, 2015 21:09:35 GMT
Ah!Ha! Good one!
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Post by sime66 on Jan 29, 2015 21:12:57 GMT
There is a number stamped on the side of the box - don't know the number, but if you google it, you can see if it's a Sito + or a Sito. (Picture it installed; the number is stamped by your left ankle or it might be part of that other stamp in the image, but I can only just see the Sito, not any numbers). Even more of a bargain if its a Sito +, but will need more jetting. ....Just had another look at the listing; I don't reckon it is a Sito +, see below - SIto = on left, yours on right:
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Post by phattanglo on Jan 29, 2015 23:04:37 GMT
I reckon its a std but it'll be fine for my needs.
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Post by sime66 on Jan 30, 2015 5:19:58 GMT
Clearly!
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Post by henri on Jan 30, 2015 9:06:25 GMT
nice score ,cheap exhaust , an his listing said "see my other listings for scooter & MOD " , thats where the end of tailpipe probably went, cut off so he could fit a chrome/st-steel tailpipe ,i use em as they direct the exhaust crap away from wheel/hub ,ya dont get such a grungy back wheel. tho they do have a tendency to fall off/go missing . H
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Post by phattanglo on Feb 3, 2015 9:27:52 GMT
It's amazing just how restrictive the cat exhaust is. I fitted the sito and it genuinely makes a difference, it's got more torque and gets to 50 quicker. What I was surprised at was the difference up hills, a biggun near me i struggled up at 45, Now straight up at 55. And i haven't drilled the air filter yet
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Post by phattanglo on Feb 6, 2015 15:51:34 GMT
Oops the weathers a bit warmer and I've just had a soft seize which I'm surprised at. Would you go up one size mj or more.
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Post by phattanglo on Feb 6, 2015 16:11:25 GMT
Can you plug chop at any revs or is it just wot for the main jet
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Post by vespasco on Feb 6, 2015 17:55:43 GMT
Try a search for plug chop.. Im sure theres plenty of info. You need to start with a 'too large' MJ so you dont soft seize again!!! Because to dial in your main jet you need to ride WOT.. Re cap: what jets do you have installed right now?
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Post by phattanglo on Feb 6, 2015 18:24:32 GMT
I'm going to strip the carb this weekend hopefully to check what's in there. I'm assuming it will be the std cat exhaust jetting ie a 96 mj. I didn't change the mj as the consensus was that cat or non cat std exhaust should be the same jetting. indeed the web seems to confirm this but I'm not so sure. I think the Sito std exhaust lets the engine breathe more than a normal exhaust and the way the power comes in around 3- 3.5k rpm is great but it makes me think it needs upjetting a bit. I was thinking a 98 & a 100. Whats your opinion?
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Post by phattanglo on Feb 7, 2015 9:35:02 GMT
Just had a quick look, the jetting is std 96 mj, be5,45/140 idle 140 air corrector.
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Post by henri on Feb 7, 2015 12:08:31 GMT
i'd go 98 mj an maybe keep a be3 atomiser in reserve , plug chop/colour checks can be done at different revs to check diff jettings , 3/4+ or WOT for 1 1/2 mins = main jet , 1/2 throttle same time atomiser , ok, H
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Post by phattanglo on Feb 9, 2015 17:25:09 GMT
So I went 98mj be3 & 160 air corrector and we're cooking with gas. Can't get the tickover smooth though. Is additional pilot jet adjustment just by changing the idle jet or can you get different air screws I screw it in and out but can't get the tickover right. Is the rise in revs when the airscrew is adjusted fairly subtle or should it be very noticeable. The only time the revs seem to rise is when I unscrew it too far and it blimmin falls out
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Post by henri on Feb 9, 2015 19:20:09 GMT
if adjustin screw has no effect an other causes like air-leak are ruled out it means wrong pilot jet usually , an its not a revs rise your listening for , more about even tickover , fading tickover =lean , hunting (where revs rise n fall randomly)=rich , an as its a single cylinder small capacity light flywheel 2 stroke its never going to purr like a rolls , a fairly even tickover an clean pick-up/rev when pulling away is ya target ,an no stalling when throttle is shut an its as good as it gets , ok, H
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Post by phattanglo on Feb 10, 2015 11:01:46 GMT
Nice one I achieved that. First thing at morning it struggles to pull away until it's run for a bit. Is that just the fuel level in the float bowl being a bit high?
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Post by phattanglo on Feb 10, 2015 16:28:37 GMT
Well I thought the top end was ok but just had another soft seize on a 98 mj I'll try the 100. Something occurred to me the engine immediately runs ok at lower revs, I wonder if it could be fuel starvation rather than a seize. The plug looks ok.
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Post by henri on Feb 10, 2015 17:31:46 GMT
the early struggle is just being cold , an a repeated seize could mean you need to clean up the piston an bore a bit from 1st one ,an its more likely a air leak on carb leaning mix than starvation causing it ,but ya say plug looks ok, sorry memorys crap, how old is scoot an in particular the exhaust , sorry memory kicked in then , was goin to say a old/blocked exhaust can cause seizes but its new isnt it. DOH. will look back over thread from start n see if anything pops into my clockwork (slow at that) brain , H
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Post by phattanglo on Feb 10, 2015 17:45:13 GMT
I think a full on carb strip and clean is on the cards. Luckily there's only been 2 really soft seizes and the scoot never missed a beat as soon as I eased off the throttle.
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