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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 16, 2014 18:51:02 GMT
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Post by henri on Sept 17, 2014 15:46:29 GMT
on large flat areas i use a polishing bonnet on my orbital sander , lightly , cellulose is never that thick like 2pac , for scoots i usually hand do it as your less likely to polish through on edges,bodylines,curves that way , or go too hard in 1 spot n burn the paint finish ,
little,lightly,never stoppin in 1 place , an instead of various grades of compound i always use halfords rubbin compound ,its a general 1 in a yellow toothpaste type tube an gives me good results ,have been told by a pro not to use t-cut on paint younger than 6 months as its too harsh n has ammonia in it ,but others do use it just very lightly, an always use the lightest grade paper that will do the job , 1500 ,
but i flat between coats with 850 for primer ,1200 for undercoats, 1500 for topcoats an just polish the final coat ,but last coat is a fine/mist coat just to cover 1500 flatting marks ,thats my routine ,some do diff , H
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 17, 2014 20:15:21 GMT
Henri, gazpx, many thanks for your comments/advice. I will have a go. Brighton Autopaints sent me Farcela G6 by the way. Is that more, or less abrasive than G3?
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 18, 2014 14:24:53 GMT
Thanks gazpx.
Would you say it's sensible to do it by hand? I'm not suggesting that Henri isn't sensible. (I've already discovered you have a sense of humour H, so I'm risking this one). I'm just trying to decide the best way forward without risking ripping through the paint. I'm not bothered how long it takes and it seems like the "Henri" method would be more controllable.
To re-phrase the question; How long would the average, relative novice who is reasonably good with his hands, take to flat and polish a mudguard by hand? I wouldn't mind if it took three or four hours.
I'm off to buy some 1500 grit tomorrow.
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 18, 2014 19:12:05 GMT
OK thanks. Now I'm thinking experimenting on an old panel, with a machine is my best bet. I have to keep reminding myself that it doesn't matter how long it all takes.
Thanks again for the advice.
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Post by henri on Sept 18, 2014 19:25:26 GMT
as gaz the (youngster with good wrists) says ten mins with g3 an ya good ,with a machine, ive a machine n c##p wrists n go by hand ,the pain/time is less than over going by machine n over polishing ,ya trial on a old panel sounds a good plan, wish i'd thought of that ,as ive a old door panel i test spray on,perfect to perfect my polishing, i'm not 100% sure but higher number =finer compound =1 rough/6 fine, i think,ring auto-paints they will know,
an the only thing that makes me lose my sense of humour is calling me "sensible" ,ive worked hard at attaining my "idiocy" ,like the perks,an will fight any attempt to take em away, H
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 19, 2014 7:39:49 GMT
Ha Ha. Good one H. Yeh, my wife thinks I'm about as sensible as a nine year old!
Just going back a few steps; Gaz refers to using a mop on the machine. Casting my mind back to the 80s, when I "helped" my mate who was a professional sprayer, I thought we used a rubber/foam, firm-ish pad when polishing with an air "DA" machine. Is the term "mop" a general one and includes this. I'm asking as I know there are polishing mops as well as the pad type.
Also, I was looking at a VW (GTI I think) forum last night. I guy was complaining that, no matter what he did, he couldn't get any better finish than a very dull shine after polishing. Another bloke replied saying you have to polish (I think he meant with wax) to get the final, mirror like shine. I thought I should ask about this before applying wax in case I did it too soon and then had a big job getting it off again.
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Post by rab on Sept 19, 2014 12:37:37 GMT
G3 and water by hand or mop if your confident enough then autoglym high resin to polish it up it will shine like lovely
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 19, 2014 12:47:35 GMT
OK thanks gaz. I did look at the vid but wanted to make sure. Thanks for clearing up the mop/pad business.
This morning, I went to Halfords to get some 1500 and 2000 grit papers. I also made a snap decision and bought a tube of their compound. It was only the price of a Cambridge pint. My thinking is that I will try polishing the mudguard by hand tomorrow. If I get fed up with the time it takes, I will buy a machine.
Henri...You said you use the Halfords compound and get good results. The instructions on the tube make no mention of flatting first (but you use 1500 grit). Does this mean it's more abrasive than the Farcela stuff? I'm wondering if I should finish with the latter.
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 19, 2014 12:56:31 GMT
Thanks rab....do you mean without flatting? The finish is pretty good as it stands so I'm wondering if it's acceptable to just use compound?
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 19, 2014 19:34:29 GMT
OK gazpx. Thanks. The reviews certainly seem to say it's good stuff. (And Henri also). I'm glad I bought it now. Tomorrow will tell. I'm not sure about the guy who said it was good for guitars though. I wouldn't use it on my Rickenbacker.
You asked what colour I'm using and I forgot to answer...Old English White. This is fairly close to one of the original colours called Portland White I believe. It's a 1964 Sportique Douglas...originally a horrible brown/bronze colour (Polychromic something or other). I really disliked this colour. It had been hand painted red and I don't think they bothered to flat first. I think they used a roller or next door's cat to apply it as well.
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Post by henri on Sept 19, 2014 19:38:39 GMT
as gaz says above hallffys yellow is a cutting compound ,i always lay celly paint on thick n get slight orange peel, undercoats i flat at 1500,final mist over coat i just cut back with halffys then polish , i'm a nervous type an am always worried bout rubbin through n havin to re-paint/blow in , coz i hate painting ,
i treat hand-finishing as a "zen meditation" process , fag in gob,strong coffea ,good tunes an me sat on stool/beer crate in shed ,"puttin it on,an polishin it off" karate kid style, loads of clean rags ,ive a young daughter n godaughter (9 n 10) an there old socks n t shirts are perfect, an i'm in "henri heaven" ,an the "reward" beer at end tastes sweet ,even if my wrists scream everytime i lift it,
gaz did it as a job ,his advice sounds pro/good ,i'd follow him if you, just i'm a founding member of the "awkward squad" an always do it "MY way",sid not frank, h
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Post by vespasco on Sept 20, 2014 7:12:33 GMT
Oi!! Theres nothing wrong with using a roller brush! Hahaha! My Rally......  |
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Post by vespasco on Sept 20, 2014 22:48:20 GMT
I don't understand.....
Spray with Water? Then flat n polish? Then what? Wax!?...sounds a little like cleaning it to me.... which is something I've never done. Ive only ever greased n oiled it..
The photo above is the cleanest/shiniest you will ever see my scooter....as its just after I built it 4 or 5 years ago.... After roller brushing the orange paintwork with industrial/agricultural paint (as used on tractors and forklifts etc...)
Mirror finish it aint..!
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 21, 2014 8:22:00 GMT
Thanks for all advice and comments.
Looks like I started something re the roller idea. When I was young, a roller was a guy with long hair who didn't like mods. Personally, I like the Stones, Quo, Faces and The Who, so I don't know what that makes me...."A Mocker" as Ringo said in Hard Days Night film.
Yesterday, I flatted with 2000 grit, polished (by hand) with Halfords compound, polished again with the G6 stuff, and I'm pleased with the result. However, like I have seen on other forums, the "from the gun" finish, before flatting/polishing, was like patent leather shoes. It's now like a pair of ordinary shoes that have been polished.....If you know what I mean....It has lost that very high gloss.
But I guess we've discussed this earlier. To reassure me...do you reckon the very high gloss will return when I apply wax? Also, is there a minimum time to wait before applying wax...ie does the paint have to loose all it's solvent first?
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Post by doulsy on Sept 21, 2014 11:33:54 GMT
if you are using a sander to flatten the 1500 grit is fine, you can go over it with a farecla 3000 pad but thats optional, polish it with g6 advance its far better than g3, remember to use a soft interface pad on the sander, you can get a wax top for new paint, normal wax can cause problems for the first few month, dont waste your money on g10, i have it in work but never need to use it, i just go over the panels with a softer polishing pad before i put wax top on.
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 21, 2014 17:26:34 GMT
OK. Many thanks to all. Your advice has been really useful.
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Post by doulsy on Sept 21, 2014 21:36:51 GMT
OK. Many thanks to all. Your advice has been really useful. need any help give me a shout, i have been a spray painter for 30 year. |
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 22, 2014 18:23:21 GMT
Thanks doulsy. I will bear that in mind.
Just one more thing, and then I'll leave everyone in peace...I spent more time using the G6 today and it was certainly worth it. I obviously hadn't done enough the first time. It has come up with a fantastic finish now and I'm really pleased.
Without this forum, all of this would have been extremely difficult. A appreciate everyone's guidance.
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 24, 2014 8:17:51 GMT
How do you get pics onto here please?
I've tried copy/paste and it doesn't work.
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Post by henri on Sept 24, 2014 8:40:50 GMT
use the reply button not the quick reply 1 , an are residential budding tech photo whiz,sime66, has done a thread on posting images in i think the everthing else scoot related column , its all devils work/witchcraft to me tho, good to hear ya scoots nice n shiny now , H
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 24, 2014 14:00:14 GMT
Thanks H. I'm hoping this has worked re attaching pics....
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 24, 2014 14:00:49 GMT
Hhhhmmm No it hasn't
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 24, 2014 14:03:26 GMT
Ah. It's because the pics are too big. They are 5 or 6Mb. Any suggestions? I'm not sure how you do this compression thingy...
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Post by rab on Sept 24, 2014 14:29:52 GMT
remember to resize your pics to 75 using paint to get them below 1 meg and you wont have a problem
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 24, 2014 15:09:06 GMT
"Roger, copy and paste that."
Thanks H. I've read the thread, registered with Photobucket and got the pics onto it. Will try getting them on here tomorrow....Got to dash now....Thanks again.
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 25, 2014 19:01:48 GMT
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Post by tranquilitybase on Sept 25, 2014 19:02:26 GMT
Blimey. The chap that wrote that thread is a genius!
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Post by doulsy on Sept 25, 2014 20:53:49 GMT
can you post some pictures of it polished?
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Post by doulsy on Sept 25, 2014 20:54:51 GMT
only kidding lol
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