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Post by anthonykett on Apr 23, 2014 16:07:40 GMT
Hi all , I need some advise please , I have just bought a brand new px 125 and have read various things about a running in period , can someone confirm how to run in properly
also so I have noticed the exsaust is running extremely hot and something smells of burning at the back end even after a 1 mile ride to my work , does anyone know what this could be
and thirdly I am looking at putting a 177 watercooled kit on from para kit psv , does anyone know if these kits are good ?
what exsaust would you recommend ?
thank you
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Post by sbwnik on Apr 23, 2014 18:42:49 GMT
From the top: On a brand new engine, I would do between 500 and 750 miles. The first hundred at little more than tickover, keeping the top speed to about 30 in top. After that, keep the top speed to maybe 35-40 in top for the next two hundred before increasing the speed slowly up to flat out, having quick bursts of high revs as you break it in, being more sustained the nearer you get to the end of the running in period.
The exhaust will get very hot, that's normal, and the burning smell will probably be grease from the PDI, or paint off the exhaust - all normal.
Finally... Have you had scooters before? If not, stay away or get ready for a lot of upset. They're great kits but unless you know what you're doing, then they're pretty complex and demanding.
Best exhaust? SIP Road/BGM box exhausts on a standard engine.
All IMHO, obviously.
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Post by anthonykett on Apr 23, 2014 23:30:39 GMT
Thank's , i had my first Vespa last Year , again a PX125 , i had a DR 180 kit on the bike , ran great for about a year then siezed on me.
I sold it at the back end of last year but finally got round to getting a new one , when i bought it the guy at the shop said that new Vespa, dont
Really need running in , which i found a bit bizzare.
Once i have run the bike in i am just wanting to keep the bike looking standard but tune it so its one of the fastest 125's around
I still however wnat it to be Reliable and someone has recommended the new watercooled kit
i have a budget of around £1500 to put into the bike so am just aksing around to see what a good set up would be for that price
cheers
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Post by henri on Apr 24, 2014 6:16:49 GMT
as the sign above the mechanic in "mad max 1" says "speeds just a question of money,how fast do ya want to go" ,what it dont say is tuning/speed comes at the cost of easy reliable starting an shorter service intervals an when not done right the whole engine.as swbnik said if you want a tractable/usable scoot stick with a sip road2/sito+/bgm pipe ,drill ya filter an get it jetted right ,an save 12-1300 quid .
havent fitted a para psv watercooled kit ,so dont know how much they are ,but splitting the engine an matching the barrel n cases ,an porting/gas flowing the inlet+buying a bigger carb an setting/jetting it to work will take most of ya 1500,unless your doing it all yourself .
beware tuning,the "need for speed" is a disease that has a costly cure.swbnic warned ya about the upset/trauma of scoot ownership,well as ya found out with last px its nothing to the heartache/financial ruin that catching "tuneittiss" gives you.
not trying to start a controversy,but if ya want to be the fastest young-blood on the block,maybe a scooter aint the best starting point ,IMO, H
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Post by sbwnik on Apr 24, 2014 9:59:50 GMT
You managed to seize a DR and you're looking at a watercooled Parmakit?
Um. No. Not a good idea.
No offence, but get a lot more miles under your belt, learn to maintain something more simple, understand why you have increasingly short maintenance periods on tuned machines the higher you go in the tuning stakes, and finally - and most importantly of all - accept that you'll never have one of the fastest 125s around until you learn to ride like a racer, and have a much bigger wallet.
The kit alone is £440 from SIP (who tend to be about the cheapest about), add to this a competition racing crank (£220), competition clutch (£100+), decent carb (£150), Vespatronic (or similar) ignition (£250+), exhaust (£250) and that's £1400 gone before you've even looked at finding a reputable tuner, or suspension, tyres and brakes.
BTW it's a accepted that the simplest thing to make a scooter faster isn't any of the go-faster goodies, it's riding skill combined with good roadholding. If you've a 90mph scooter that ends up in the hedge after each bend, you'll never be the fastest. Start there, and work your way up, same as everyone else does. Shocks, tyres and brakes are the place to start, not carb and kit.
If you had £3,000 - then you may be in the right area. Without any of these, you'll just be yet another wannabe,
I'm not trying to put you off here, but trying to run before you can walk is never a good idea.
You're not the first to try and be the new young gun - I'd guess most of us that have been around have tried it - and you'll not be the last. But none of us have really made it.
(We'll not mention Bryn's moment of fame.....)
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Post by anthonykett on Apr 24, 2014 12:11:45 GMT
Ok thanks for all of your help , much appreciated
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Post by sbwnik on Apr 24, 2014 13:26:57 GMT
No problem, and I hope that last post wasn't taken the wrong way - just trying to save you a fortune in broken bits and endless amounts of hours in the garage!
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Post by kru251 on Apr 24, 2014 18:34:49 GMT
Best performance upgrade? Lose about 3 stone whatever weight you are!!!!!  |
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Post by mickymidas on Apr 25, 2014 7:47:32 GMT
Best performance upgrade? Lose about 3 stone whatever weight you are!!!!! OOOOOH!!! ......harsh........But a fair comment  |
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Post by rab on Apr 25, 2014 13:47:16 GMT
What will come first another engine seize or a heart attack from exercise during weight loss hehehe
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Post by pxguru on Apr 25, 2014 15:20:04 GMT
There are many things you can do to make a brand new 125 go a lot faster without buying any kits....... but losing weight will make a fast scooter even faster!
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