Helllllllp!

[sbwnik]

OK, that's got your attention.

Can someone read my indicators sticky and let me know if it makes sense, or if any of it is a bit complex?
Cheers.

[kru251]

This section Nik:-
That's simple enough to visualise - One to two to four, with the two taking it in turns to carry the current as it gets switched by the relay. This explains why Vespa indicators flash alternately rather than together.............

and is done so that the load on the system is lessened by keeping it at a constant of 21W; alternating front-to-rear rather than 42w-nothing, 42w-nothing etc

Has zero Ohm is better than 0ohm I feel.

Good on you for putting this up Nik!

[henri]

yep,makes sense to me ,well on computer screen anyway ,should make it easier next time i'm looking at a scoots indicators . any chance of a similar LED 1,H

[sbwnik]

What do you need to know about the LEDs?

No, no book... I'm not organised enough for that.

[mrpt5]

Looks good, do you do instructions on anger management or how to enjoy the country side whilst laid down at the side of the road fixing you scoot. I think I'd buy both

[sbwnik]

Nope, never managed to work either out

Glad it's readable anyway, thanks.

[partanen]

Great job "sbwnik".

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henri: For led turn signals you need "electronic led flasher relay". The one which doesn't need resistance to work properly.

[henri]

thanks,iknow about different relays ,the problems on a bike not a scooter anyway, cant get the idiot light to work for both sides as the amount of current makes both sides flash when idiot light is connected .temporaliy for mot have wired in the low oil light on dashboard as a indicator warning for offside,thinking i'm going to have to see if two leds can be fitted where bulb normally goes .
on scoots it always seems easier to wire up led indicators as dc ,the higher peaks of ac can burn out 12volt led's,an on a friends lamchop i wired had to throw away led tail/brake light as without a battery it worked like a kill switch weirdly .same wiring an a bulb 1 an its fine ,which seems back to front to me .
nowadays just use led's on bikes an bulbs for scoots ,my head doesnt hurt that way .H

[sbwnik]

Just stick a clipper diode inline.. It's a crude way of converting AC to DC by stopping the current from running both ways

[henri]

i tried diodes in the idiot light feeds to stop volts bleeding of to other side of indicators an that just stopped idiot light working ,have jury rigged 2 leds in place of 1 bulb an seperated the indicator circuit sides. anyway this is as far from p series indicators as i think we shud take this thread .thanks for the ideas ,theve helped ,if only to stop me going in circles an getting lost in lectrics.normally the missus has to take me to a quiet corner slap me an give me a stiff drink to get me back to "normal"-ish ,well for me anyway.cheers H

[sbwnik]

I like the idea of directional LEDs, I assume you just put them inline for the front indicators?

[henri]

the bike had a 2 pole relay before switch an idiot light was wired across the outputs from switch ,so used take offs for idiot feed an earthed em in the headlight for 2 leds ,so parallel not series,guy didnt want me to make up a custom dash with led idiot lights either side for indys an main in centre in like a triangle shape,as he'd already bought a chrome small dial idiot light unit,even tho it had a oil light an his bike dont have the sensor .same guy bought a 280quid fiberglass tank from a photo,no measurements of tunnel or bikes spine ,coz he liked the shape an guy selling "told him it wud fit".thats why i prefer doing scoots ,amazingly the owners are more sane,just, still the tank does look good on top of my bedroom cuboard,better than a vespa 1 wud,not quite as gud as a lammy long range tho,but thats coz i'm funny for shiny things,like a magpie, H

[sbwnik]

I may have a mess around with the LED idiot light idea, I think it'll work well with the Utah screen

[henri]

with the screen youve def got the place to put led repeaters/idiot lights ,an they will be more in ya eye line than on the clock ,dont go to maplins as they only sell 12volt leds .thats why i had some around for mates bike,tried to use em on a px for mot as pcb in speedo had broke stopping indy an main beam warning light working.they handle the ac voltage at tickover but burn out quick without a inline(series) resister at higher revs ,i didnt have any resisters an just soldered copper wires to bulb holders instead for mot,so dont know what value resister to use.i use a voltage testing probe ive made up from a thick copper earth wire(household single strand)with a led an resister soldered on to it,will have a look tommorrow at what value the resister is as that handles scooter voltages ok.ive left it overnight in my garage so cant get to it til morning .ok. H

[sbwnik]

Cheers, that's great

[joey]

Led lights as indicators generally don't work because they don't draw enough current to trigger the relay, just wire in a 10w resistor into each power cable.
about 10 bob each from Maplin.

[sbwnik]

Only times I've seen them used, it's been the opposite problem, flashing like mad. LED relays are available though.

[henri]

depending on the relays type its normally no-flash or too fast with led's .the xt i just did first of all wouldnt flash as led's wouldnt draw enough currants,when i put resisters parralel to each indicator led it flashed too fast an when i put 2 resisters in line before switch went too slow .took em out an it started flashing just about ok (60-120) a minute .on way to mot they sped up again til were about 180 flashes a minute ,ok for a rave but not for a pass .guys who's bike it is wanted me to try another way with resisters,just went to shop an bought a led relay 10quid an there perfect ,i'd only been begging for a led relay for a month ,an all the messing has mucked up the shrink wrap on the loom i'd just made an fitted .
was the same with the lambchop an its led rear/brake light ,after all the messing around trying to get it to work on a non-battery scoot the brand new custom built/colour co-ordinated(baby blue)loom i'd built/soldered up,looked like a tangled/hacked mess of wires an crimped/bodged connecters .put bulb unit back on an returned loom to how i built it an it works perfect.
anyway remembered to look at my voltage probe/tester today to see what resister ive got in series with a 12volt led that seems to handle the voltage spikes of a running/revving scoot.its a 4 band type with the colours blue(6)grey(8)an red(x100) gold(5%) so thats 6800 ohm's to a 5% tolerance.you dont have to worry about the tolerance band as quite a wide size of resister will protect the led from blowing .i only chose that 1 as it was in a bunch of stuff my dad had in his garage from his part time/retirement job as a alarm engineer/tester,same with red led. its never blown its led despite me using it instead of my meter if there's the slightest chance of over-voltage damaging the meter .
the 12volt green led's were about 3.75 for 10 at maplins.an resisters about the same i think. just like halfords you cant buy just 1 or 2 ,but only multi-packs .they get used in the end as i make up 2-3 probes every year as i always tuck 1 away under the saddle of all my scoots/bikes an keep 1 in my car aswell.an eventually the movement when using them snaps of 1 of the led's legs .
have thought tho that if i was going to use them like warning lights on main beam would increase the ohm's of the resister to protect em more during continous use rather than the short burst's a indicators on for .cheers H