can anyone identify this

[brainache]

hello all,
I have been trying to identify this from various wiring diagrams on the web but come up short so far. got a brown, black, green and white (clothy covered) wires sticking out. the reason being I'm looking to buy a new loom for this baby as the current one has had all the ends snipped off and looks like it's had several chewings from a family of rats.

cheers

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[ets]

Can you post a picture of the stator and the flywheel?

[joey]

They are the wires from your stator.

[brainache]

did you mean with the flywheel on or off as i can't get it off at the moment waiting for a puller in the post. the stator has points and not electronic ignition.

I've attached a pick with it fitted., got in touch with my brother and he thinks its a sprint engine as it has a 10' wheel hub and he had the same difficulty as me trying to identify the wiring.

on another note can i fit a 10' wheel succesfully to the original forks beedspeed do one that fits an 8' hub

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[ets]

I meant with the flywheel off. I found a good wiring diagram for you. Just to make sure, check the engine vin number, Vespa Super 150 begins with VBC1M. Let me know if it is anything different.
Follow the link for the electric diagram, you need to be registered to the website (free registration).
www.vesparesources.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=38&Itemid=48

As for the different colors, your wires may have been changed in 40+ years, it's easy to work it out with a detailed picture of the stator.

[brainache]

thanks for the diagram--- but it's not a VBC1M, after a bit more digging around it's a VLB1M sprint engine of 1969 vintage, which leads me to believe it's had a bit of tampering as the flywheel should be of the self extracting type but isn't and the points are pretty new too and shiny silver, the thing that gets me is there are only 4 wires potruding from the stator/flywheel and every diagram I have come across has 5.

found the engine type here for future reference.
www.scooterhelp.com/serial/ves.motor.serial.numbers.html

looks like I have a right can of worms. super shell, sprint engine with 10' hub, front forks with 8' hub - do i need to carry a spare how often do you get punctures anyway.

[bryno]

With the flywheel off you can just check to which coils the wires go to and work it all out from there, wiring on vintage vespas is very simple, from memory one coil lights, one ignition and one for brake light.

Have you got the flywheel off now? you'll need to get an internal circlip if it's missing to extract it.

There are a few options on fork conversion to 10", personally, if you are keeping the Sprint engine, I'd go find some forks and front hub etc from a Sprint, Rally etc..

Though the complete brake/hub assembly from a Sprint may well just bolt onto your Super fork leg..

[brainache]

thanks for the info but the flywheel isn't off yet , it isn't an original flywheel as there is no circlip or provision to fit one it's a large threaded portion, once i get it off though i should be able to work it out from there. I posted the pic of the wires as all the diagrams I can find have 5 wires from the stator ( i only have 4) in the hope that someone would be able to say - hey I've got one of them it's a xxxxx. but no joy.

Has anyone had any dealings with Universal Scooters on ebay.
stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Universal-Scooters__W0QQ_armrsZ1 thats where I ordered my puller from.

[brainache]

got my flywheel puller today - unfortunately my flywheel has an opposite thread , anyone know where i can get a puller with an opposite thread from i was so angry i nearly spat.

[ets]

Sept 7, 2009 19:47:38 GMT brainache said:

got my flywheel puller today - unfortunately my flywheel has an opposite thread , anyone know where i can get a puller with an opposite thread from i was so angry i nearly spat.

Never heard of a flywheel like that! I doubt you'll find the right extractor.
Alternatively use a three arms bearing puller, halfords does them for a few quid.

[brainache]

I had a look at Halfords and they are not big enough to cut the mustard due to the diameter of the flywheel, I might have to manufacture an elaborate system of levers and pulleys to get it off.

thanks for all the responses so far

[ets]

Nope, halfords does different sizes of pullers.
I bouught one from them and it is big enough to pull the flywheel out.

[brainache]

Cheers for the tip ETS, bought one from machine mart, fitted it on so it pulled under a part with fins on all three legs and a couple of turns and it dropped off, now all i need to do is identify my 4 wire stator.

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[ets]

That stator looks remarkably like a 5 wires one. Standard for a Sprint and many others those years.
Was the engine running before you took it apart? Somehow I believe one wire is missing.
Come on, you're nearly there... 3 screws and it'll come out for a good inspection.

[brainache]

I got all this stuff from my brother a shell of a scooter in pieces with what he states is a running engine, I'll whip off the stator tommorow and have a good look but i think it may this diagram that it matches up to as there is what lookes to be wire connected to the chassis under the left bubble.

www.allstyles-scooters.com/Super_125_loom.htm

It's not an original stator and flywheel hence the opposite thread and wire couloring mullarkey.

[ets]

Sept 8, 2009 23:23:27 GMT brainache said:

It's not an original stator and flywheel hence the opposite thread and wire couloring mullarkey.

They are original. Both stator and flywheel have the Piaggio Mark embossed on them. Aftermarket parts wouldnt have 'em.

[brainache]

here's a diagram of my stator i do reckon it's a 6v DC with battery stator, the red wire is actually the same colour as the green one (white with a red band). the brown wire is an extension of the points and is soldered onto the condensor. the black wire looks to be the earth. The green wire is actually green on the end and when you pull of the insulation the technical genius who put this together has twisted the wires together and covered it with a piece of tape. the coil in the digram linked earlier however has 2 connections I only have 1 and on closer inspection it looks like there was at some point an invertor fitted as there is a clean patch of shiny paint roughly the same size on the main chasis under the toolbox side next to what looks like a small battery tray and their is a black wire just dangling there attached to one of the fitting studs of the toolbox.

all this just for a new loom!!!!

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[brainache]

got an email from Alan at Beedspeed again and he reckons it's a 12v conversion.

I have a couple of other questions though.

being a 12v system do i need a regulator for lights and switches etc.

which wire is normally connected to the coil so i can at least fire it up once i get the fuel tap bits and pieces.

[brainache]

after a bit of pondering I have 'bit the bullet' and after speaking to Beedspeed again decided to buy a new stator and loom along with light and brake switch and a regulator for a 12v system, after removing the original and finding a few wires twisted and taped together I have my suspisions that the elctrical genius who was let loose on this before didn't actually know much about electrics and its probably a safer bet replacing the lot. Hours of endless fun feeding wires to folow.

thanks for all the help though. and I'll get there in the end hopefully

[ets]

Enjoy the fun!!

[Smallframe]

You can't go far wrong with beedspeed for looms and stator rewires and conversions.