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Post by doulsy on Feb 15, 2015 23:37:47 GMT
the stupid annoying things that get sent to test us are never fun all we can say is thank fuk for that when we sort them reading your short problem is annoying even me i know what a ball ach they are am feeling for ye on this one doulsy gonna do what henri said, was gonna try today but im not up for it right now, was told to wait a few month before i put it on the road but i saw an auld mod today on his vespa, and wished it was me
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Post by rab on Feb 16, 2015 19:46:55 GMT
ive seen a few out and about over last few weeks sit back and have a day or two away from it to re gather the steem to get it done. i cant wait till my 4 week dvla hospital ban is over and we get a dry day all my chrome and stainless is back on battery i fitted before crimbo is up and running new switches and wireing working for spots and air horns heart attack gives lots of shed time to get those jobs done . thought running the new cable through the frame would be a ball ach but i managed it first lucky try.waiting on the tracker being deliverd so i can fit it and sit in the room on a night making sure my baby is safe in the shed on google maps hehehehe
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Post by doulsy on Feb 19, 2015 21:23:16 GMT
removed the headset and found the warning lamps bulb holders had fell apart(new from beedspeed btw) unpluged them and the lights came on, front sidelight dont work but its getting 12v so maybe the wrong bulb as the rear and speedo work, brake light dont work, i had put a new switch in so i will have to check that, indicators are untested, will they all have to be connected before i can check them? or can i check the front ones without the rear connected?
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Post by henri on Feb 20, 2015 11:10:32 GMT
more likely a crap earth on front sidelight or loose bulb in holder ,give it a wiggle , an fronts will still flash without rears connected , an its not uncommon for brake light switch connections to be unconnected as ya fiddle the brake block back into the frame ,ive had it once or twice , but ya gettin close eh, bet ya can already taste the dead flys on ya teeth from smilin as ya ridin , H
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Post by doulsy on Feb 20, 2015 12:21:27 GMT
more likely a crap earth on front sidelight or loose bulb in holder ,give it a wiggle , an fronts will still flash without rears connected , an its not uncommon for brake light switch connections to be unconnected as ya fiddle the brake block back into the frame ,ive had it once or twice , but ya gettin close eh, bet ya can already taste the dead flys on ya teeth from smilin as ya ridin , H Lol
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Post by doulsy on Feb 28, 2015 20:15:28 GMT
got side lights, main beam, dipped beam, brake lights and speedo lights working, problems i still have, the main beam warning light is on whenever i turn my lights on, front indicators dont flash unless i remove the grey wire from the warning indicator light and replace it with an earth, then the indactors work fine, but when i switch indicator off the warning light still flashes i have replaced the wanring lamp holders, they are better quality than the one's in the picture. wonder if someone could look at a wiring diagram and help me out. Also i opened all the switches to have a look and noticed i had put plenty grease on them, would this affect them in anyway?
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Post by doulsy on Feb 28, 2015 20:19:35 GMT
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Post by doulsy on Mar 4, 2015 22:11:15 GMT
Seems I had wired the p up the right way apart from one wire months ago and that was down to beedspeed IMO, the rest of my problems were due to rank rotten replacement parts, bub holders ect, ended up bridging a grey wire from indicator warning lamp to bulb holder as it was in the diagram, i then decided to phone the guys at beedspeed and ask why i had two extra grey wires joined on to one spade holder, he told me they were for the indicator warning lamp and it was to save me bridging it the way i did and the way it shows you on the diagram( if only they could have wrote this on the back of the wiring diagram). Also asked about my main beam warning light coming on, he said it was either the switch or a connection touching somewhere, so i taped up the end of every wire, main beam light still the same, so feck it, I could live with that, put the headset back on and every time I got the headset tighten up, something or other stopped working so i decided to take the headlight and bulb holder out and make my own bulb holder clips that's when I noticed the terminal were moving about After seeing this I decided A new bulb holder was needed, two seconds later i dropped the headlamp and smashed it gonna have a few days break from it, only good thing to come out of this is that I can probably wire a p series from memory now.
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Post by moomoo on Mar 4, 2015 22:25:50 GMT
The bike looks really nice doulsy from what I can see of it. Have you any more photos of it? I was gonna have mine done that colour. Dont get het up with it chill for a few days. You must be nearly there. Btw did you have any trouble with the ignition barrel spinning in the hole even when fully tight?
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Post by henri on Mar 5, 2015 9:15:48 GMT
walk away n have a fag/beer/whatever relaxes ya most , its tricky getting decent bulb holders as the quality of some sold is dire , i'd use a sip or scooter centre cologne 1 ,slightly more cash but will work out the box an not need much fettling to be perfect .some of the cheapy ones are so bad no amount of fettling fixes em, if youve still got old 1 soak it in vinegar overnight an contacts will come up as shiny as new ,ya must wash/flush the vinegar away thoroughly or it keeps on corroding . an you might be able to live with a permanent on high beam warning lamp ,but your MOT guy wont . disconnect the lamp from loom an suss out which wire to headlamp is for high beam an run a "jumper" wire from that to bulb an stick a earth on other side an bingo a warning lamp that works .H
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Post by doulsy on Mar 5, 2015 11:11:18 GMT
Most likely down to bulb holder Henri, cheers for the advice and yes moomoo had the same problem, think i stuck a strip of plastic on the flat side, the side that is supposed to stop it turning, more bad parts m8, not much i have bought has fitted correctly, dont get me started on the bran new side panels i have bought.
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Post by moomoo on Mar 31, 2015 17:47:52 GMT
these are the wires coming from the switch these are the wires from the loom does this look ok?
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Post by moomoo on Mar 31, 2015 17:56:18 GMT
Hi again,
You dont seem to have many wires there doulsy and they look a lot thicker than mine. The back of the headset on mine is like spaghetti junction. Did you manage to use a battery to try everything out? Im thinking of starting mine up tomorrow for the first time. Dont know if it'll run or not. My headset seems real hard to close back up did you have any problems? It'll be left loose for now.Does everything have to be connected for the bike to start? for example the horn and the indicators etc? I have no battery on mine. I'm assuming all those thing work when the bikes running?
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Post by henri on Mar 31, 2015 18:41:20 GMT
you just need the coil/cdi to be connected to run a vesp, tho its handy to have a killswitch/ignition connected aswell, or its turn off fuel or stall to stop it , an its best to get headset top to settle down by pulling the speedo cable at bottom of fork leg , thats what keeps em up ,get it to sit right n then nip up the screws ,not too tight as they arent into the strongest lugs ,ive lost count of the p/px's ive worked on with snapped off lugs n screws missing ,an ya too close to break something now , an dont forget ya phone video of first start , ive 3 on my phone at moment an love re-watching em , but then i'm as daft as "a box off frogs" ,H
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Post by moomoo on Mar 31, 2015 20:17:05 GMT
Thanks H
Youre a help as always. It's all wired up properly except the indicators (I hope!) Mine seemed to have twice the wires doulsy had. Gonna get some 2 stroke oil/petrol mixture. The new carb is on. New exhaust fitted. New plug in. It needs some gearbox oil and then KICK! and see what happens. See what works and what doesn't. I'll let you know.
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Post by doulsy on Mar 31, 2015 22:33:20 GMT
Thanks H Youre a help as always. It's all wired up properly except the indicators (I hope!) Mine seemed to have twice the wires doulsy had. Gonna get some 2 stroke oil/petrol mixture. The new carb is on. New exhaust fitted. New plug in. It needs some gearbox oil and then KICK! and see what happens. See what works and what doesn't. I'll let you know. Thats just the wires from the the headlamp switch, there is also some from the loom to go on and a headset loom, grey and red go to the indicator warning lamp, where did you get your loom? And aye headset is apain in the arse to get on lol, then off and on? Off ans on,off,on,off,on lol
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Post by doulsy on Mar 31, 2015 23:13:24 GMT
got side lights, main beam, dipped beam, brake lights and speedo lights working, problems i still have, the main beam warning light is on whenever i turn my lights on, front indicators dont flash unless i remove the grey wire from the warning indicator light and replace it with an earth, then the indactors work fine, but when i switch indicator off the warning light still flashes i have replaced the wanring lamp holders, they are better quality than the one's in the picture. wonder if someone could look at a wiring diagram and help me out. Also i opened all the switches to have a look and noticed i had put plenty grease on them, would this affect them in anyway? should be double grey on the indicator warning lamp( if it a beed speed) and the single goes in to main bulb holder, remove the double yellow and put yellow from the speedo on to the main bulb holder, i discarded the double yellow and made a bridge from the purple wire on bulb holder to the full beam warning light and everything worked as it should, cant understand why the diagram connects all the yellow and blacks together, means whenever you put a light on you get the full beam warning on
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Post by moomoo on Apr 1, 2015 12:11:08 GMT
Hi doulsy my loom is the original that was in the bike. I notice from a couple of the images thatyou havent fitted the steering lock yet....well thats something i can give you a bit of advice on......go very steady with the little twisted rivets that hold the end piece on. Ive had to drill mine back off because i bent one of them and I had to order 2mm diamond tipped bits to get the rivets back out, they must be made of tungsten carbide or something, even the cobalt bits would touch them. Make sure the holes where the rivets fit are spotless and reamed out before banging those rivets in and if you make a mistake be sure to grind the heads off with a dremil and leave enough of the rivet to grab hold of so you can pull them out with pliers. . Also make sure they are lined up perfectly before hammering them in. I might sound as though going on a bit but seriously they are utter bas****s if you're not careful.
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Post by doulsy on Apr 1, 2015 20:41:58 GMT
Hi doulsy my loom is the original that was in the bike. I notice from a couple of the images thatyou havent fitted the steering lock yet....well thats something i can give you a bit of advice on......go very steady with the little twisted rivets that hold the end piece on. Ive had to drill mine back off because i bent one of them and I had to order 2mm diamond tipped bits to get the rivets back out, they must be made of tungsten carbide or something, even the cobalt bits would touch them. Make sure the holes where the rivets fit are spotless and reamed out before banging those rivets in and if you make a mistake be sure to grind the heads off with a dremil and leave enough of the rivet to grab hold of so you can pull them out with pliers. . Also make sure they are lined up perfectly before hammering them in. I might sound as though going on a bit but seriously they are utter bas****s if you're not careful. i had to drill my steering lock out, made a bit of an arse of drilling one of the rivets out, i bought the wrong size of steering lock, bought a 6mm instead of 4mm, where do you get the outside bit that rivets on? did you get your wiring sorted? text me if you get stuck.
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Post by moomoo on Apr 1, 2015 20:54:10 GMT
I got the outside bit and two rivets from SIP for about £2. As I said I knacked the first one up good and proper. The rivets snapped flush with the frame so I couldn't pull them back out. I thought They were going in straight but obviously not.. Youve to be really careful with them. As for my wiring I dont really know yet until I can get the bike ticking over then I can see what works and what doesn't.
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Post by moomoo on Apr 1, 2015 21:10:30 GMT
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Post by doulsy on Apr 1, 2015 21:30:40 GMT
so i should just search for steering lock with rivets? just getting a burd with a sip t-shirt on showing nipples on that link
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Post by moomoo on Apr 1, 2015 21:41:25 GMT
Yes go to sip and in the search bar type 17462800 and 17462900. A bird with nipples eh?....Lucky you!
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Post by doulsy on Apr 1, 2015 21:53:41 GMT
Yes go to sip and in the search bar type 17462800 and 17462900. A bird with nipples eh?....Lucky you! lol
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Post by doulsy on Apr 1, 2015 22:03:47 GMT
my scoot still needs a lot of tweaking and bits and bobs replaced, thought it was gonna be perfect but i have gave up on that, just want to ride it, the after market parts have really messed everything up for me, even stupid wee things like gromits to cable ajusters have been total crap, not to mention bulb holders or expensive side panels that i had to fully repair because they were so badly made, tons of stuff were missing when i bought my scooter, if i were you i would keep everything thats original you have and only replace if you really need to, if you dont then send it to me
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Post by moomoo on Apr 1, 2015 22:06:41 GMT
God loves a trier!
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Post by doulsy on Apr 1, 2015 22:11:54 GMT
its amazing that a bit of plastic ect made in 1978 will still last longer than a bit made in 2014/15
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Post by moomoo on Apr 1, 2015 22:19:47 GMT
The original parts fit much much better. I had to make a part to hold the ignition still. Ive got the original headset and horncast and I'm thinking of using them instead. As you say the aftermrkt parts are pretty terrible.The indicators are dreadful. The ones I bought look like something the kids have made.
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Post by doulsy on Apr 1, 2015 22:28:18 GMT
The original parts fit much much better. I had to make a part to hold the ignition still. Ive got the original headset and horncast and I'm thinking of using them instead. As you say the aftermrkt parts are pretty terrible.The indicators are dreadful. The ones I bought look like something the kids have made. two of my indicators lenses are broke and my bike has not left the workshop, paid about 40 for the set of indicators without rubbers, been looking on ebay for originals, no joy so far.
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Post by doulsy on Apr 1, 2015 22:29:14 GMT
yes i made a bit for ignition using plastic repair stuff
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