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Post by citydaz on Jan 6, 2018 19:33:02 GMT
Im planning on upgrading the stock 197cc engine in my 1978 P200e.
Was originally thinking of the polini 225 kit, but a trusted dealer has advised on the Pinasco 215cc kit.
Ive got a SIP road 2.0 exhaust waiting for it.
Any advice or experience of the Pinasco kit?
Im not wanting a "screamer" or anything daft, just a reliable, usable scoot with a decent turn of speed.
cheers.
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Post by henri on Jan 7, 2018 11:37:02 GMT
the polini is a "grunter" ,workhorse/tourer , the mallosi is the "screamer",potential hand-grenade . not had one thru my hands but the pinasco's rep is its in the middle .good kits from what ive heard , i would steer clear of BGM ,after a spate of ring pin failures the latest batch are suffering plating failures at less than a thousand miles .
whichever ya plump for ,an personaly i'd go polini (it will match with the sip road nicely) ,i'd also recommend a clutch upgrade .new decent plates (surflex/newfren) an stronger springs ,polini, an whilst there replace the brass washer ,a often overlooked part that is quite crucial. H
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Post by mushroom on Jan 7, 2018 22:35:58 GMT
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Post by mijapxman on Jan 9, 2018 18:02:19 GMT
citydaz, seems to be a few different Pinasco 215 kits about, is it this the one 👇the shop recommended? Any idea how much the shop charges for that kit?
I'm with Henri on the Polini, but I'd also be tempted by the Malossi 210 sport.
Jim☺
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Post by citydaz on Jan 9, 2018 18:47:02 GMT
Ive been quoted £440 for the kit.
I thought that this was expensive since the polini kit is £350 and you get 10 extra cc's.
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Post by mijapxman on Jan 9, 2018 20:32:21 GMT
To get 225cc out of the Polini kit, you'd need to buy a 60mm crank as well as the kit.I believe the Polini kit still has a suspect piston and rings set-up, causing many owners to change it ( usually after a big seize)for a GS after market piston as it's better quality, equally I know many people have had little or no trouble with the standard piston, so some of the reliability questions may be down to how "spirited" owners ride, so Still worth considering. Whilst not a very powerful kit ( see what Freak moped has to say about them in his video description) and expensive for what you get, Pinasco kits do have a reputation for reliability, mostly caused by their low state of tune/power, however SIP recon they get 20 horse power using the parts the mention in their description of the kit. SIP also seem to be selling the Pinasco kit a lot cheaper than you were quoted, here's a link 👇 www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/racing+cylinder+pinasco+215cc+_81111000I would still also consider the Malossi 210 sport kit, as it's a proven long distance touring kit, feel free to have a read of the link below 👇, the price is without a cylinder head tho. www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/racing+cylinder+malossi+210cc+_31163590Good luck. Jim☺ |
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Post by citydaz on Jan 9, 2018 22:27:36 GMT
Thanks mate,
i will ponder this for a while before making a decision.
citydaz
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Post by mijapxman on Jan 10, 2018 14:20:28 GMT
Citydaz, I forgot to add, is your engine a mark1 p200e? If it is you may be better fitting the later px200efl gearbox, as the mark 1 gearbox can't really handle the power of a tuned engine, I've put a few links on, incase someone wants to know the differences, please read the video description for info 😉. Old mark1 gearbox 👇 Px200efl gearbox 👇 Another kit option maybe to get hold of a good used iron Polini 207 barrel and fit one of these pistons👇 www.lambretta-teile.de/Piston-680mm-ProPorting-6th-oversize-for-Vespa-PX200-oder-Polini-207-standardAlso worth considering is tuning the exhaust port on your standard P200e barrel 👇 and maybe fitting a competition crank or a 60mm crank, which may give you what your looking for . sites.google.com/site/drunkmunkey6969/p200mildexhaustportingJim☺ |
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Post by citydaz on Jan 11, 2018 20:51:35 GMT
Guys, thanks for all your advice. I will have another chat with the dealer now that I understand the issues involved. citydaz  |
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Post by doulsy on Jan 13, 2018 12:11:10 GMT
I also have a 1978 p200e, my advice is to keep it the way it is, is it worth all the money and hassle?, just stick your sip2 on, drill your filter and re-jet, btw this is the advice I got on here when I was rebuilding my engine, I was gonna kit it and ended up keeping it stock for reliability.
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Post by citydaz on Jan 14, 2018 18:22:24 GMT
oh-no, thats put the cat amongst the pigeons!  |
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Post by mijapxman on Jan 15, 2018 10:53:27 GMT
Thought you had your heart set on a kit, so was just pointing out things to consider, if you don't you could do a compression test to see if it needs new piston rings or a rebore,I o'tuned my own P200e engine in the hope the rebuilt
standard engine and gearbox could take it, as I know if I kit it, the sensible thing to do is fit the later gearbox.
Ride safe.
Mij☺
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Post by doulsy on Jan 16, 2018 20:12:11 GMT
Thought you had your heart set on a kit, so was just pointing out things to consider, if you don't you could do a compression test to see if it needs new piston rings or a rebore,I o'tuned my own P200e engine in the hope the rebuilt standard engine and gearbox could take it, as I know if I kit it, the sensible thing to do is fit the later gearbox. Ride safe. Mij☺ is all really worth the hassle, I have an early p200 engine, Its great but the brakes are total sh!te, I don't fancy trying to stop my p200 if it went any faster, its great about town and great for a run to the coast, infact its perfect, its interesting to mess about tuning though, I have some spare casings and I'm thinking what to do but my p200 will be left stock. |
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Post by citydaz on Jan 16, 2018 21:22:01 GMT
yes, the front brake is sh*te on my P200e as well.
Will be fitting a disc brake as soon as kit / barrell tune job is complete.
Also, forgot to add that the cruciform needs replacing, so the Im considering all options in rebuilding the engine, whilst the cases are spilt.
cheers Citydaz
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