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Post by ironsloth on Aug 4, 2017 13:31:37 GMT
Does anyone have any idea on the price of P200 complete engines? Obviously they pull easier than a kitted 125 but what's the real benefit? Also, Henri I can't seem to find out how much it would cost to post a frame... Yet I remember you had put a post up with that on... Any ideas anyone?
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Post by bryno on Aug 4, 2017 13:50:25 GMT
P200 engines seem to have gone up of late, 500 - 750. But it's hard to say as a lot of difference between one that's just been rebuilt and one that needs rebuild, you could easily spend 300 - 400 rebuilding a tired one.
Personally I'd go p200 over any kitted 125 any day, imo standard p2 has all you'll ever need for loner runs, touring, 2 up etc and in standard form they have good tank range and will run and run..
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Post by henri on Aug 4, 2017 14:24:14 GMT
as bryno says , old tired but running £400-500 , if ya lucky . re-built or kitted £750 an upwards .
trying to remember ,but a cosa frame (larger than px) totally bare by parcelforce was under £50 collected ,think it was either 46 ,or even 38 . H
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Post by ironsloth on Aug 4, 2017 19:40:56 GMT
Cheers chaps, with that kind of money going into 1 scoot engine, I've got no choice but to stick to kitted 125s. £700 quid could go a fair way into the Anglia, which I hate comparing it to...
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Post by RWS74 on Aug 5, 2017 15:08:51 GMT
Cheers chaps, with that kind of money going into 1 scoot engine, I've got no choice but to stick to kitted 125s. £700 quid could go a fair way into the Anglia, which I hate comparing it to... For £150 you can get a 150 kit... bolt on and play with just a couple of jets to match 150 carb.. I found it made a significant improvement on 125 from Pulling away/acceleration & hills etc. |
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Post by ironsloth on Aug 5, 2017 20:50:27 GMT
RWS74, I meant comparing the price of a P200 engine to almost anything for a classic car. We picked up a good running 1725cc engine for the Mrs Alpine, it was £50. I got a 1300cc crossflow engine for £130. I can't get my head round why the P200 and T5 engines are so much money for what's effectively for so little. Unless I stumble across one of these engines, I've got no real choice but to stick to kitted 125s.
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Post by ianmartin40 on Aug 6, 2017 13:20:47 GMT
I am guessing it is just a supply and demand thing, also years ago there was always badly rusted or damaged scooters being broken for spares but as the value of a vespa has increased so much they always seem to get repaired now so fewer spare engines
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Post by RWS74 on Aug 6, 2017 18:17:56 GMT
RWS74, I meant comparing the price of a P200 engine to almost anything for a classic car. We picked up a good running 1725cc engine for the Mrs Alpine, it was £50. I got a 1300cc crossflow engine for £130. I can't get my head round why the P200 and T5 engines are so much money for what's effectively for so little. Unless I stumble across one of these engines, I've got no real choice but to stick to kitted 125s. No worries. |
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Post by scooterg on Aug 6, 2017 18:38:13 GMT
RWS74, I meant comparing the price of a P200 engine to almost anything for a classic car. We picked up a good running 1725cc engine for the Mrs Alpine, it was £50. I got a 1300cc crossflow engine for £130. I can't get my head round why the P200 and T5 engines are so much money for what's effectively for so little. Unless I stumble across one of these engines, I've got no real choice but to stick to kitted 125s. 125 engines are cheap, 200 are 3x the price 13crossflow are cheap 16crossflow 3x the price theres that many 125s out there as that's all a lot of people can drive no one wanted the 200 as it meant passing a test |
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Post by ironsloth on Aug 6, 2017 21:03:05 GMT
😆 id forgotten about the 1600... Bloody good point though, never looked at it like that.
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Post by RWS74 on Aug 7, 2017 1:27:40 GMT
I get what you mean now mate, a half decent reasonably priced 200 engine seems as rare as rocking horse poo.
As far as I can tell the "bigger 166/177" kits aren't as bolt on and play as the PIAGGIO 150 kit which just needs re jetting and no new crank etc.
I guess it depends on what you're after....
I can't recommend the 150/sip 2 combination enough. As an experienced biker on my first scooter I can now leave cars at stand off, maintain 50-60mph with ease, and do 90+MPG.
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Post by pxguru on Aug 7, 2017 8:41:36 GMT
These days you don't need a 200 to go fast. All of 125 the kits avalable can be adjusted to make way more power than a P200. Sometimes even more power than a 210 kit  |
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Post by mijapxman on Aug 7, 2017 10:51:54 GMT
A standard 200 is a good low reving plodder that you could take from one end of the UK to the other, at 55- WOT mph and be very confident of making your journey with no problems. I and many, many others have done just that, on a regular basis on the national Rallies😉.
The p200 engine was the scooterboy tool of choice for many a 80's scooterboy for the above reason😉
Would also add, the 5 port LML 150cc is thought of ( in many quarters ) as the Indian equivalent of a P200, for similar reasons
Mij☺
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Post by ironsloth on Aug 7, 2017 18:01:40 GMT
I've heard nothing but good things about the LML 5 port 150 kit, has anyone used one here for any length of time? I'm a bit skeptical because of the usual coke can (other brands available... I use Sprite 😁) Pistons used.
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Post by mijapxman on Aug 8, 2017 8:28:30 GMT
From what I've read in the past, their are different quality of 150cc five port kits, think? It was the Ve
ones that had a bad reputation, the pistons I've seen appear to have thinner rings than PX pistons and this usually!? Is a good thing.A look on an LML forum should give the answers to anyone interested.😉
All the best.
Mij☺
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Post by ironsloth on Aug 10, 2017 12:43:35 GMT
Apart from the bore size, what do I need to look for to identify a P200 engine? I realised early on that a T5 engine is identifiable by the air filter (I believe you have to fully unscrew the mixture screw to take it off.... So I'm led to believe), is there any obvious things to look out for on a P200? These may seem like stupid questions (was always told the stupidest questions are the ones not asked) but I may have found one, but it's miles away to go and have a look at it. Any help would be great 😁
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Post by ianmartin40 on Aug 10, 2017 19:53:11 GMT
If i am stating the obvious then i appologise, but the engine number pre-fix should at least identify the cases.
px125 engine pre-fix VNX 1 M
px150 VLX 1 M
px 200 VSE 1 M
this info is from haynes manual and may help to identify what the engine was when it left the factory.
Hope you manage to find a decent 200 at sensible money.
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Post by mickbr71 on Aug 11, 2017 5:06:12 GMT
Apart from the bore size, what do I need to look for to identify a P200 engine? I realised early on that a T5 engine is identifiable by the air filter (I believe you have to fully unscrew the mixture screw to take it off.... So I'm led to believe), is there any obvious things to look out for on a P200? These may seem like stupid questions (was always told the stupidest questions are the ones not asked) but I may have found one, but it's miles away to go and have a look at it. Any help would be great 😁 Simplest way is the exhaust stub. 125/150 points straight down , P200/PX200 is angled outwards . |
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Post by ironsloth on Aug 11, 2017 12:08:29 GMT
Thanks mick!! 😁 will keep you all posted....
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