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Post by johnthepilot on Jul 13, 2017 20:04:16 GMT
Hi,
A friend of mine died a couple of years ago and his brother-in-law has asked me to restore my friend's scooter. My problem is trying to identify exactly what it is in order to order spares etc. Unfortunately, I don't have the logbook, neither does his brother-in-law. According to the registration, it is a Vespa Douglas 1984, but the badges say it is a Vespa P125X. I thought the VIN would help, but it is only 11 characters instead of the 17 I would expect. I checked with a site that provides VINs from registration numbers and it came back with the same 11 characters, VNX1M222913. I'd also like to spray it in its original colours, but according to DVLA, it is green, which doesn't help much. I don't really want to fork out £25 for a new logbook if I can help it, so has anyone any ideas?
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Post by scooterg on Jul 13, 2017 20:09:56 GMT
Your going to need the logbook for road tax and things ,so you'd be best to get it My colour codes on a sicker under the seat
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Post by me on Jul 14, 2017 14:25:09 GMT
firstly that is sad news about your friend but good in that you are going to get his old scooter back on the road -
A couple of things that may help - Douglas went out of business back in 1964 - so what ever your log book says it is most defiantly not a Douglas - DVLA just assumed only up to a few years ago that all Vespa's were Douglas ....
The VIN would be correct for that year - 1984 was the year that they changed shape and with other slight differences - so only have 11 would be right - the letters denote the model and the numbers denote the order.
On the 84 the code sticker would have been in the frame in the hole in front of the petrol tank when you lift the seat - I very much doubt it will still be there.
If you want to restore it then £25 for a replacement log book is nothing - a proper resto would be upwards of £1000 to do it any justice, and normally on the region of 2k.
When looking for parts all PX parts are interchangeable - when looking just go by the year - but as yours is the 84 best way to identify is by the size of the speedo - small speedo without fuel gauge would be the Mk1 large speedo with a fuel gauge would make it the Mk2 - and what every PX is now.
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Post by johnthepilot on Jul 16, 2017 15:26:05 GMT
Many thanks for your replies, Guys.
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Post by johnthepilot on Jul 19, 2017 19:40:09 GMT
I've now got the log book. From the VIN, VNX1M222913, is it possible to get the paint code as the log book simply says green?
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Post by me on Jul 19, 2017 20:12:52 GMT
Are you sure thats the frame number - all vespa frame numbers end with a T not a M - the engines have a M.
If 222913 is the frame number than it would be a PX125E - from sept.84 - It could be writen down wrong on the log book - the frame number on the chassis is at the rear of the engine by the shocker - check what that says.
The P 125 X stopped production in 82 with last frame number 198248 -
It could be that your reading the engine number off the log book - engine numbers did have some sort of order but Piaggio used the same engine in lots of different 125's
No sorry you can' get the colour code from the frame number - I have a list somewhere of all the different greens if you post a pic it would help identify the exact model and give us an idea of the correct colour.
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Post by scooterg on Jul 19, 2017 21:02:06 GMT
Why not just take one of the side panels off, go to some place that mix auto paint, and get them to match it. And ask them the code SORTED,
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Post by johnthepilot on Jul 21, 2017 21:31:42 GMT
Are you sure thats the frame number - all vespa frame numbers end with a T not a M - the engines have a M. If 222913 is the frame number than it would be a PX125E - from sept.84 - It could be writen down wrong on the log book - the frame number on the chassis is at the rear of the engine by the shocker - check what that says. The P 125 X stopped production in 82 with last frame number 198248 - It could be that your reading the engine number off the log book - engine numbers did have some sort of order but Piaggio used the same engine in lots of different 125's No sorry you can' get the colour code from the frame number - I have a list somewhere of all the different greens if you post a pic it would help identify the exact model and give us an idea of the correct colour.That's the number on the That's the number on the VIN plate. I can't get a pic to show you as it has been completely stripped back to bare metal.
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Post by johnthepilot on Jul 21, 2017 21:32:37 GMT
Why not just take one of the side panels off, go to some place that mix auto paint, and get them to match it. And ask them the code SORTED, Because it's been stripped back to bare metal. All I remember is that it was a dark green.
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Post by me on Jul 21, 2017 21:48:43 GMT
What does it say on the frame - forget the VIN plate - the numbers are stamped onto the frame at the back of the engine if its stripped then they'll be easy to find... M is on an engine T is on a frame.
Framne and engine numbers never matched i.e they never had the same engine number matched to a frame number - if your reading a nuimber with a M in it it makes it and engine number so doesn't have any relavance to the frames exact model or year
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Post by scooterg on Jul 22, 2017 8:50:19 GMT
Don't think there will be a lot of greens to choose from in the same year ,don't imagine they will be like cars,,,with a little shade of a difference Light , Dark, or have a different colour,take it or leave it,
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Post by johnthepilot on Jul 22, 2017 8:50:51 GMT
No chance of finding that. Because the frame was badly corroded I strengthened it underneath with carbon fibre.
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Post by johnthepilot on Jul 22, 2017 8:53:11 GMT
Don't think there will be a lot of greens to choose from in the same year ,don't imagine they will be like cars,,,with a little shade of a difference Light , Dark, or have a different colour,take it or leave it, I think I'll see what is available and pick the one the customer likes best.
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Post by scooterg on Jul 22, 2017 8:57:02 GMT
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Post by scooterg on Jul 22, 2017 8:58:37 GMT
Where numbers ( should ) be And I just looked for 1984 vespa colour chart
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Post by johnthepilot on Jul 22, 2017 14:21:37 GMT
Many thanks. Unfortunately, the images wouldn't open in Photobucket. I managed the find a colour chart and it seems that there are only a few greens. Verde Vallambrosa seems to be the closest as far as I can remember. I'll get my friend's brother-in-law to have a look through them and decides which he likes best.
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