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Post by bignico2411 on Aug 29, 2016 17:14:27 GMT
So, my BH started badly (buried a friend this morning) and went downhill this afternoon. Don't really know how I've done this, but I've managed to fill the scooter with diesel! If I actually had hair, I'd part it and show you all the massive d**k on my forehead!!  Went about a 100 yards from the garage then spluttered and died. Went back and they confirmed it was a diesel fill. Waiting to get it recovered now. How serious a balls have I made and what, aside from draining the fuel and cleaning the carb, do I need to do to put it right? Will the tank need flushed out and, if so, what with? Cheers |
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Post by henri on Aug 29, 2016 19:18:35 GMT
its not so bad mate , sorry to hear ya had to do a "planting" this morn . no wonder you was distracted an filled from wrong hose . drain the fuel ,diesel , stick in a couple of litres of petrol ,slosh about n drain that . an either clean carb or just add fresh fuel an kick til diesels used up an it fires on petrol .the diesel wont of harmed anything else so not such a bad thing .an not me ,but you aint the only scooterist who's done this ,an most dont have a solid reason/excuse like you . get home , have a beer/stronger to ya mate ,scoot can wait til mornin ,it aint the worst ive heard today . H
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Post by bignico2411 on Aug 29, 2016 19:45:51 GMT
its not so bad mate , sorry to hear ya had to do a "planting" this morn . no wonder you was distracted an filled from wrong hose . drain the fuel ,diesel , stick in a couple of litres of petrol ,slosh about n drain that . an either clean carb or just add fresh fuel an kick til diesels used up an it fires on petrol .the diesel wont of harmed anything else so not such a bad thing .an not me ,but you aint the only scooterist who's done this ,an most dont have a solid reason/excuse like you . get home , have a beer/stronger to ya mate ,scoot can wait til mornin ,it aint the worst ive heard today . H Thanks, H. Lad had only turned 50, a shocker. Raising a large glass to him now. Back to scoot, relieved to hear there's no big drama. I had actually planned to strip and clean the carb and stick a new spark plug in while I'm at it. I'll pick up some petrol tomorrow and get to it. Guy who recovered me (family friend) wouldn't take any money as he said being able to take the p**s for the next year was worth more than the pick-up!! |
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Post by bignico2411 on Aug 30, 2016 12:18:24 GMT
Plan to drain the fuel tank after work today. My idea is to remove the carb and carb box (need to clean out carb anyway), then remove the fuel banjo, stick the fuel line into a container and turn on the tap. Is it that simple?
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Post by bryno on Aug 30, 2016 13:42:56 GMT
I'd be tempted to take the pipe off the carb banjo and remove the tank with the line attached.
It will be easier to drain that way and you can be sure to get all the fuel out by turning it upside down to get the last dregs out and can also swish a bit of new fuel around the tank before popping it back in.
No need to remove the carb box.
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Post by bignico2411 on Aug 30, 2016 14:11:01 GMT
I'd be tempted to take the pipe off the carb banjo and remove the tank with the line attached. It will be easier to drain that way and you can be sure to get all the fuel out by turning it upside down to get the last dregs out and can also swish a bit of new fuel around the tank before popping it back in. No need to remove the carb box. I had thought about that, but how do I get the fuel tank out with the tap still attached? Never done anything like this before, so I'm looking for the simplest method. And as I want to check what, if any, diesel has got into the carb, I'm going to take it out anyway. Not poo-pooing your idea, bryno, just conscious of my own limitations! |
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Post by bryno on Aug 30, 2016 14:48:29 GMT
It won't be very easy to drain without taking the tank out as you will find the pipe really short to get anything under it to drain into, unless you remove the box and the rear wheel and do it from the other side of the engine.
Tank wont drain 100% through the tap, but I guess you could just keep diluting the last bit with new fuel.
Tank removal is not hard, the tap stays attached, only hassle is if you are running autolube you will need to disconnect the pipe, plug it then purge it afterwards when you refit.
If you're more comfortable doing by removing carb and box, try that..
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Post by bignico2411 on Aug 30, 2016 14:55:29 GMT
It won't be very easy to drain without taking the tank out as you will find the pipe really short to get anything under it to drain into, unless you remove the box and the rear wheel and do it from the other side of the engine. Tank wont drain 100% through the tap, but I guess you could just keep diluting the last bit with new fuel. Tank removal is not hard, the tap stays attached, only hassle is if you are running autolube you will need to disconnect the pipe, plug it then purge it afterwards when you refit. If you're more comfortable doing by removing carb and box, try that.. It was in my head to do this with new petrol (got it right this time!). I'll try it as planned and if I come unstuck, I'll come back for help. Out of curiosity, will the tap come out with it in the 12 o'clock position and the little grommet removed/loosened? Autolube is long disconnected. Cheers |
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Post by bryno on Aug 30, 2016 15:45:06 GMT
Yes remove the grommet or just push it in and with the tap at 12 o'clock it will go through the hole as you lift the tank out. No autolube makes removing the tank real simple. good luck!
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Post by vespasco on Aug 30, 2016 15:51:00 GMT
At least you didn't put petrol in the diesel engine.
It's easily done when you fill 2 different types of engine with different types of fuel regularly.
I always have to remind myself to double check which fuel pump I'm reaching for but I'm waiting for the day when I get it wrong.
No major harm done.
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Post by bignico2411 on Aug 30, 2016 19:23:05 GMT
At least you didn't put petrol in the diesel engine. It's easily done when you fill 2 different types of engine with different types of fuel regularly. I always have to remind myself to double check which fuel pump I'm reaching for but I'm waiting for the day when I get it wrong. No major harm done. Thanks, mate, though I do still feel like a right t*t! I do actually drive a diesel, but I'm normally careful to the point of double or triple checking, but I guess I was distracted yesterday. Anyway, diesel is out, I've flushed about 1.5 litres of clean fuel through the tank and left another half litre in there overnight. Carb is stripped and cleaned, so hopefully tomorrow will be reassemble and hope she starts. |
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Post by djloone on Aug 30, 2016 19:50:02 GMT
back on it in no time mate..quality fess up though...ya knob (cant believe i aint done it yet) lolol
LOON-E
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Post by swm on Aug 30, 2016 21:09:08 GMT
Piece of p**s to remove tank to drain. Remove bolts from under seat , disconnect fuel sender wire , disconnect fuel line from carb (bung end of pipe with bolt or similar) Remove grommets from oil sight glass and fuel lever.Tilt tank forward from back as you lift to guide lever and sight glass through the frame. Feeding fuel line through as you lift . Job done! To refit reverse . Only awkward bit when refitting is getting fuel lever through the hole in the frame but if you tie some string or put a cable tie on to the lever and thred through first it helps . Grommets back in sorted !
Cheers.
P.S. Why arent all fuel pumps colour coded ?
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Post by bignico2411 on Aug 30, 2016 21:51:13 GMT
back on it in no time mate..quality fess up though...ya knob (cant believe i aint done it yet) lolol LOON-E Knob is fair, Loon, a proper chopper!!  |
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Post by bignico2411 on Aug 30, 2016 21:52:54 GMT
Thanks for the gen, swm, but I'm hopeful I've got it sorted. Tomorrow will tell the tale, report to follow
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Post by bignico2411 on Aug 31, 2016 19:14:53 GMT
Happy to report that I'm back up and running! Drained the diesel out of the tank (without removing tank), flushed clean petrol through it a few times, stripped and cleaned the carb and put it all back together. Bunged in a new plug and she started second kick. This is a job I wouldn't have had the confidence to tackle had I not joined this forum and had all my daft questions answered by you scooter gurus. So thank you, one and all!!  Now all I have to do is stencil PETROL, D**KHEAD on top of the tank and I'll be all set!! |
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Post by djloone on Aug 31, 2016 19:39:26 GMT
Buzzing for ya fella..didnt cost owt but pride n a giggle n no harm done  LOON-E |
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Post by bignico2411 on Aug 31, 2016 19:48:10 GMT
Buzzing for ya fella..didnt cost owt but pride n a giggle n no harm done LOON-E Cheers, Loon!! Not long ago, I'd have been paying someone to sort it out for me. With this forum, you learn AND save money!! |
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Post by swm on Aug 31, 2016 20:31:36 GMT
Nice one, result, were all still learning !
Cheers.
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Post by johnnymarr on Aug 31, 2016 20:35:40 GMT
That's great it's sorted...spot on about gaining confidence and learning with the forum ...well said
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Post by henri on Sept 1, 2016 7:20:07 GMT
happy for ya , H
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Post by bigd on Sept 1, 2016 9:00:45 GMT
Sorry to hear about your mate Nico.
Glad you got the scoot sorted, easy mistake to make as well mate, taking the tank out ain't that bad, while mine is off the road with the casing issue I pulled the tank out to replace the fuel tap and choke knob with nice shinny one's, hardest part is putting it back but a cable tie put around the fuel tap and threaded through the hole helps guide it back in.
The tips from this forum have definitely saved me a lot of hassle.
D.
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Post by bignico2411 on Sept 1, 2016 11:01:44 GMT
Sorry to hear about your mate Nico. Glad you got the scoot sorted, easy mistake to make as well mate, taking the tank out ain't that bad, while mine is off the road with the casing issue I pulled the tank out to replace the fuel tap and choke knob with nice shinny one's, hardest part is putting it back but a cable tie put around the fuel tap and threaded through the hole helps guide it back in. The tips from this forum have definitely saved me a lot of hassle. D. Cheers, D, came as a shock, but that's life unfortunately. Funnily enough, I was looking at how 'tired' my fuel tap is the other day and wondering about how I'd go about replacing it. Now I know how to take the tank out, I may have a bash at that. Is it an easy job to replace the tap, and did you push the grommet through the hole or remove and replace? There's always questions with me!! |
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Post by bryno on Sept 1, 2016 12:22:29 GMT
Either, you can retrieve the grommet from inside the frame after you lift the tank out.
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Post by bigd on Sept 1, 2016 12:41:26 GMT
The grommet fell into the frame, easily retrieved when the tank is out and a wee spray of wd40 helps with refitting the grommet.
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Post by bignico2411 on Sept 7, 2016 19:24:11 GMT
Rather than start a new thread, I'll ask this here. Checked my plug tonight and it's sooty. Could this be a 'hangover' from the diesel incident? By way of background, I had been running a 100 MJ with sito+ exhaust and drilled air filter but when I last checked the plug, it was Rich Tea on the biscuit scale, so went up 1 size to a 101. I've only done around 20 miles since the clean out, and that's on a new plug (B7). Scoot feels like it's running fine, but the plug colour concerns me. Cheers
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Post by henri on Sept 8, 2016 5:46:59 GMT
could be a hangover , but more likely a weather related thing .richer in summer n leaner in winter due to changes in pressure/humidity an heat. an i bet youve been riding carefully since ya incident ,cautious of any problems arising . take it for a thrash an check plug then ,could be ya slower ridings means the b7 aint getting upto cleaning temp . if still sooty try a b6 for a bit . H
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Post by bignico2411 on Sept 8, 2016 7:58:32 GMT
could be a hangover , but more likely a weather related thing .richer in summer n leaner in winter due to changes in pressure/humidity an heat. an i bet youve been riding carefully since ya incident ,cautious of any problems arising . take it for a thrash an check plug then ,could be ya slower ridings means the b7 aint getting upto cleaning temp . if still sooty try a b6 for a bit . H you could have nailed it, H; it has been very humid (or 'close', as we say over here!) the last few days, and I have been taking it easy since the bank holiday diesel disaster (sounds like an 80s pub rock band). I'll give it a thrash over the weekend, weather permitting, and see where we are. Cheers |
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Post by bignico2411 on Sept 10, 2016 19:18:06 GMT
Henri, you were right mate. Good thrash around the back roads today and the plug is a nice digestive towards ginger nut colour. Good call!!
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Post by Gothlife on Jun 26, 2017 7:59:00 GMT
I love this forum.
Just did the same this morning. Glad some else has done this before me. I'm going to drain the tank tonight when I get home. Hopefully I can follow this guide and get it sorted. I thankfully didn't start the scoot so hopefully just a simple tank out and drain job. Unfortunately I have an autolube so I'm going to need afew extra steps/pointers.
Wish me luck!
Kriss.
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Went about a 100 yards from the garage then spluttered and died. Went back and they confirmed it was a diesel fill. Waiting to get it recovered now. How serious a balls have I made and what, aside from draining the fuel and cleaning the carb, do I need to do to put it right? Will the tank need flushed out and, if so, what with? Cheers
