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Post by swm on Oct 4, 2015 15:58:40 GMT
Always had Conti twists on F+B. Not the best in the wet and not the best long lasting. Nearly time for a new back tyre (before Brid, bound to be wet !) so was wondering what others would recommend. Looking for a good "all year" tyre with a descent grip and speed rating that's gunna last ! I know its like the holy grail, hens teeth , rocking horse sh*t and each to there own etc. but I would like others opinions please !
Cheers.
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Post by vespasco on Oct 4, 2015 16:53:43 GMT
I also use continentals too but the Navigator.. Which i think they upgraded/call them something else now (i bought a few a while back)
All season tyre so you don't have to change them in winter/summer
Speed rated to 83mph
I tend to swap the front wheel to the back when the rear tyre needs replacing.
I ride in all weathers and feel quietly confident the Navigators will stick to the tarmac, even with my 'aggressive'? style of riding!
Other brands are available
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Post by henri on Oct 5, 2015 7:13:52 GMT
conti moves365's , wear fast as there a soft compound but stick to road like glue ,in all weathers/conditions . H
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Post by sime66 on Oct 5, 2015 10:07:03 GMT
Now then' I'm looking into tyres now; not decided yet: Got to keep an eye on speed/load ratings: I reckon speed needs to be at least M, but Ps make me happier, and load is you, the scoot (fuel & tools), your luggage and any passenger – over two tyres but plenty of margin. So far: I don't think Michelin have the speed ratings. I don't like the look of the square profile on the SIP performer for handling. Savas are apparently too soft, and I don't like putting money in the pocket of the bloke who dumped the Schwalbe problem on us. - They don't seem to have met the expectations and promises we got when they were introduced as the new miracle trye anyway. I've been using Schwalbe; had one dodgy out of eight (but there's a story there), haven't dumped the ones I've got on, but will be buying something different this time, although they do meet the criteria on paper and have performed well for ride and wear, other than the delaminating scare. The'Holy Grail' as you say – all weather, high speed/load rating, low wear – dunno yet. Several of the Continental are in the running, but none are jumping out at me as the obvious choice; either too slick for all weather or too soft and high wear – Twist, Move 365, and Explorer which I can find online still but look to be superseded. The same comments (all weather/ speed/ wear) applies to various Heidenau choices as far as I can see. I'm currently looking into Dunlop Scootsmart, but Dunlop are a bit shy of putting ratings on their tyre data, so haven't pinned that down yet. My local tyre chappy rates Avon, but I don't know anyone using them, and to get the rating seems to be expensive. Very interested in the subject, and making the right choice. Would love to know what some of you serious seasoned riders have been using for a good while and keep reusing. I'm intending to run-in my new engine on the ones I have and then make a decision. That's where I'm at with it so far..........
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Post by swm on Oct 6, 2015 12:23:54 GMT
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Post by vespasco on Oct 6, 2015 17:34:36 GMT
Hhmmm?! Out of the conti range my fav looking are the move 365 but they describe this as a winter tyre? Although the name suggests all year. Thankfully, im ok with the last of my Navigators until next year.
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Post by henri on Oct 7, 2015 6:58:23 GMT
i run conti-moves on the managements cosa ,year round, an love em ,they feel dead safe for her .but are damm ugly tyres .i'm a traditionalist so run s83's on my hack. handy if my wheelbarrow ever gets a flat i can rob scoots spare .have heard some good reports on scootsmarts , so will wait n see what ya reckon .H
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Post by vespasco on Oct 7, 2015 19:03:20 GMT
I prefer the look of a traditional tyre but quality ones that are usable all year are hard to find. The Navigators were a good comprimise and speed and load are good The Moves dont look toooooo great but must be the 'upgrade' Ive almost always used michelins on my stock ss180 and probably most of my earlier scoots. They never lasted long. Slipped in the wet. Etc etc Contis have been supreme so far. Same to you Henri, i dig the contis and feel safe.
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Post by swm on Oct 13, 2015 18:03:24 GMT
Bit of an update ! ScootSmart tyre arrived today. (4 working days from the Fatherland ) Literally just fit it to the rim not scoot so I cant yet say how it will perform , but I did like the feel and look of it ! Side walls seem stiffer than others I've had which can only be good , speed rating P so more than adequate , load rating ample for me solo , and def not as ugly as my second choice the Conti 365 !
We shall see !
If I'm not impressed at least it will make a good spare to carry as unlike the Contis it can be fitted front or back ! (rotation wise)
Here's a pic of the other tyres I like/rate for comparison . (all same ish , ratings , price , looks .)
L to R - New Scootsmart , Conti Twist Sport (Front Lam 200 miles ish) , Sava MC18 (Back Lam 150 miles ish) .
Please excuse hairy thigh grip in photo !!!!
Cheers.
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Post by vespasco on Oct 13, 2015 18:09:13 GMT
When she said put a rubber on...............
Whats that about the contis? Cant fit them front, back???
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Post by swm on Oct 13, 2015 18:31:13 GMT
You can fit Contis front or back but they have diff rotation marks on em front and rear so therefore if used as a spare due to offset rims they can only fit one way . If you see what I mean !
Cheers.
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Post by vespasco on Oct 13, 2015 18:45:02 GMT
Are you saying that you have the offset rims facing one way on the rear and the opposite way on the front? Or i am in need of a beer to help me understand!?
Oh go on then, Cheers
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Post by swm on Oct 13, 2015 18:47:52 GMT
See wot I mean ?
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Post by vespasco on Oct 13, 2015 18:55:31 GMT
Ooohhh!!!!! Now ive got a beer i understand! Ive never seen that before. Thanks for the pic
But why? How? Does not compute Cooling refreshing liquid required immediately to help me understand (And wait for answer)! Hahahaha
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Post by swm on Oct 13, 2015 19:03:38 GMT
Vespasco mate , av a beer personally I'm on a nice single malt ! but if you look at my last pic you can see that if you were to fit the tyre that way with the rim "narrow side" facing up ,it should only be fitted to the rear ! So therefore Conti twists are only good as a spare if you know which one F or B your gunna need !
Cheers !!!!!!
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Post by swm on Oct 13, 2015 19:08:08 GMT
Mebby summat to do wit tread pattern ! (Yorks Accent coming out due to Whiskey !)
Cheers.
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Post by vespasco on Oct 13, 2015 19:54:38 GMT
Yeh! hiccup! Ive had a beer. I see the opposite rotation marks (that i didnt know existed on vespa tyres)! And now understand why you cant use a spare for front n rear
I was curious to know why / how the tread pattern would make a difference between rear and front. If its ok on the front going in going one direction , why not on the rear, going in the same direction?
Have they made them 'better' for use in one direction? Which is more important? Front or rear?
I dont know.
Thats another life lost.
HiCcUp!
Cheers buh ('as wot foaks sayey rowund ear)
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Post by djloone on Oct 13, 2015 20:57:41 GMT
Being away from scoots for so long id never really gave a 2nd thought too rubber..but after reading this...im flummoxed bitd it was tyres n that was it...with not planning on doing many miles..and then only on the best of days (and i ride a sportsbike so know a bit about sticky tyres ) what would you crowd say are the most sticky/cut slick/impractical but fun tyres you,d wanna be showing off with ? LOON-E
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Post by vespasco on Oct 13, 2015 21:34:28 GMT
Showing off his Speedo Superslicks....
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Post by henri on Oct 14, 2015 7:20:34 GMT
1 spare tyre 1 spare tube ,that guys prepared for everything , an the different front/rear direction marks is coz of tread pattern ,an to avoid "white-lining" ,dont get excited djloone, as a bike rider you'll know thats were tyres/vehicle has a tendency to follow lines or irregularitys in surface of road . heart stopping stuff sometimes . didnt know twists were like that, guess you'd have to dump spare an trust gloop instead , H
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Post by vespasco on Oct 14, 2015 16:56:08 GMT
It has got to be in the tread pattern yes. I guess theres more weight on the rear. And the rear is the drive wheel. i guess thats why? And then theres more weight on the front when braking. There cant be much difference surely between rear n front. How tyres have advanced since the days of a solid ring of rubber
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Post by henri on Oct 15, 2015 7:39:45 GMT
its the patterns tendency to white line if treads rotating the same way ,opposed treads counteract each other , H
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Post by hully1 on Oct 15, 2015 14:50:13 GMT
I have looked at these and other tyres on the link above and other sites and they all seem to say "TL" (tubeless) does this mean they cannot be used with an inner tube? if so is there a link to a website that does tyres suitable with inner tubes or am I just being daft??
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Post by vespasco on Oct 15, 2015 15:30:43 GMT
Like me, you're just being daft ;D I see what you mean now H thanks
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Post by L12ARD on Oct 16, 2015 2:16:22 GMT
I have looked at these and other tyres on the link above and other sites and they all seem to say "TL" (tubeless) does this mean they cannot be used with an inner tube? if so is there a link to a website that does tyres suitable with inner tubes or am I just being daft??
I've used ContiMove365's (tubeless) and my current choice Michelin City Grip Winter's (Tubeless) , Both sets with tubes in , no worries at all ... Only difference is they are MUCH harder to get on and off the split rims , hardly any give in the tyre wall & rim/edge , so you have to bust a nad to get them on/off for 10 minutes ... Conti's far superior grip wise in all weathers BUT were almost bold after 9 mths use , went from looking like new through winter ,then at the start of the good weather to slicks in 3 months ...
Steve
P.S it's the tyres that are made for use with innertubes that shouldn't be used on tubeless wheels but the other way round is fine according to mytyres when I phoned them ...
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Post by hully1 on Oct 16, 2015 14:26:50 GMT
Cheers L12ARD that is what I thought well time to get ordering I think.
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Post by sime66 on Oct 28, 2015 11:18:05 GMT
Any update on the Scootsmart after a fortnight, swm? I'm ready to make a choice – except, I can't make a choice! Scootsmart have excellent write-up; it seems Dunlop are doing well at present. They also have the P rating, but 51. The Conti Move 365 are 59M, so it's a toss-up; they're actually quite different tyres from a sporty job to an all weather job. I have to say, I am also still, but only slightly, tempted to stick with Schwalbe; they have served me very well all seasons for grip and wear. I wonder how many of those slagging them have personal first-hand experience of trouble, or are just adding to the scaremongering by repeating what they hear (yes, I've seen the horror stories, and have followed the FB page since it all started, and had one bad one myself – that was because the 'Dealer' who sold them to me actually let air out of my tyres to put them back to Piaggio's pressures, not Schwalbe's pressures incidentally – it hasn't happened since); and they are 59P, which is the best of both. I note though, that Schwalbe are bowing out of scooter tyres, so hardly a success story, and I probably won't, it's a shame though, that there isn't another 59P. I suppose it's good that we have such a good range and choice, but it doesn't make deciding any easier. Those of you that have lairy scooters; vespasco, pxguru, etc., are you happy with 'M' rated tyres? How close to the rating is OK? Anyway, swm, have you got anything to say about Scootsmart that might help me decide?
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Post by swm on Oct 28, 2015 12:41:20 GMT
Hi Sime , its a bit early yet to say. I've not done a lot of wet miles on the Scootsmart yet. They will come at the weekend as I'm off to Bridlington (140 ish miles round trip) and its forecast to p**s down ! Typical ! First impressions are so far so good ! I like em. Id say I've done maybe 100 or so mainly dry miles (so they should be scuffed up now) and they felt as good as the Conti twists for grip . Too early to report on wear rate , but they look and feel good. If like me you want a descent speed and load rated tyre with a sporty looking tread pattern then I reckon they fit the bill ! Did you see the Tyretest in the link I put up ? Pretty good results Id say. Also I couldn't find a better price anywhere else and delivery was fast and free so no complaints there !
Cheers.
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Post by vespasco on Oct 28, 2015 17:40:13 GMT
Im well happy with my tyres rated at 81mph and 243kg Thats just above my maximum possible for both speed and load on my Rally.
I'm highly unlikely to be going 81mph for 10minutes, overloaded, say with a passenger. Virtually impossible tbh, for me anyway.
My Contis (discontinued Navigators) are 100% the best tyres ive ever had. In all weathers, at all speeds, on all corners.
Ignore the manufacturers spec for tyre pressures, too low for what you need Sime. (Depending on how you ride it i suppose). Going by your dyno info you would want a minimum of 60 load rating, with a minimum L / M speed rating.
These ratings are achieved by running the tyre in 6.2mph increments for 10 minutes, until the required speed is met. (Black Circles)... most others say the speed rating is for continous use.
Couple the good tyres with good shocks, good tyre pressures, good shock and swingarm mounts, makes for a nice tight, 'confident' set up.
Having a classic, the tread pattern and how it looks is also fairly important for me too. Thats normally where there is a compromise. In order of preference for me, Speed, load, 4 season 'grip', then how it looks
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Post by sime66 on Oct 29, 2015 8:10:31 GMT
I've taken the other option, swm; I had a good look at the tables you linked to, and by far the wet/dry grip, steering behaviour, cornering stability and breaking results took priority over wear and fuel – for now; given that I am buying these at the beginning of Winter. I'm reassured that an M speed rating is adequate, which I had thought, but I always like to be well within limits, and the 59 rather than 51 load rating is better too. Thanks for your input too vespacso, if you're happy with thrashing your beast on M tyres then I have no doubt on that. I'm not sure what you meant by manufacturer's pressures being too low though, because I was saying that Piaggio's were lower, and I am already using higher pressures than Piaggio recommend, but also make sure I'm at least within the manufacturers limits too. I use pretty much 20/30; maybe 32 in rear if really loaded. Talking of loading, I think the rating is per tyre (so double), so I believe we are well within that, but there must be a formula/data somewhere to calculate it – there must be cornering loads for example? %ge front and back? braking? If you know of any better info on that I'd be interested to read it. 59 is the best I've come across in this recent investigation anyway; I have 59P at present too. Anyway I ordered the ContiMove365 from the link above (they were the cheapest source I could find too, swm – even when buying three) I'll reassess them when I've stuck to the road all Winter, the daffs are coming up and I'm thinking about where to wander to next year. - Maybe they'll be a bit slicker by then for the Summer anyway! This is the table swm refers to:
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