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Post by al on Apr 20, 2015 19:20:24 GMT
Hi all I've been bought a sip digital speedo as a birthday gift and after reading the instructions then looking through the inter web I'm getting a bit confused.There is a step by step tutorial that is very handy but it's for a p200 with a battery and neutral light.It would be so much easier if it said connect what to what.I thought it would be a doddle but with there no fuses in the system I don't want to burn some thing out.Any help most appreciated.Cheers Al.
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Post by doulsy on Apr 20, 2015 21:07:55 GMT
was thinking of getting one of these but i have a non battery, so you need a battery to run it? just fuse the live wire, buy a fuse holder from halfrauds or the net for a fraction of the price and fuse it till you have it right.
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Post by al on Apr 20, 2015 21:17:26 GMT
Reading the instructions there is no need to have a battery.Just conflicting threads on the Internet and instructions have not been translated that well.Cheers.
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Post by doulsy on Apr 20, 2015 22:17:55 GMT
Reading the instructions there is no need to have a battery.Just conflicting threads on the Internet and instructions have not been translated that well.Cheers. think there is a guide on the sip website, i have noticed its not an easy site to navigate, too much on it, your making me want to google this now as i plan on getting a sip digital speedo lol |
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Post by henri on Apr 21, 2015 7:15:49 GMT
never wired/owned 1 , but as doulsy says stick a in-line fuse in the live feed , better to blow a 20p fuse than a £160 speedo, sorry if thats told ya how much the gift giver loves ya , lucky beggar , H
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Post by me on Apr 21, 2015 7:53:13 GMT
Ive fitted about 10 or so maybe more over the last few years - They can be wired both AC and DC - they have an internal rectifier so not problems - you need to wire the red and brown lead if going AC (non battery) to the same place and the easiest one is the grey live feed in the headset. the black wire on the speedo goes to earth...
It is very simple when you get into it, it does take a little patience to get it all set up and getting all the correct inputs for the different functions.
Unfortunatley H's estimate for the cost was a little OTT - but its a nice treat...
PS if you are wiring it to an AC system DONT put a fuse on the live feed.....only good if wiring directly to a battery and then then DC system is fuse protected anyway.
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Post by sime66 on Apr 21, 2015 8:26:47 GMT
I’ve never really liked the look of the SIP speedo for PX, (too Jap-plastic type scooter-looking for a classic Vespa IMO) compared to the more classic looking one for Mk1 P’s, which look splendid. But with my new engine I really do want a CHT gauge and rev counter, so I’m back to considering getting the SIP Speedo because I haven’t yet found a better way of doing those neatly, waterproof and un-knickable. I have a battery as a later addition to a non-battery PX, but can’t wire it up to that unless I replace my two-wire ignition with a four-wire ignition, which is something I intend to do at some stage anyway – to make most of my DC toys isolated when ignition is off. That side of stuff needs a little thought still, but the actual wiring of the SIP speedo doesn’t seem too complicated at all. Fitting it all in the headset looks like a pain, and where to put the silly button is also one I haven’t thought-through yet. The locating/improving of the CHT sensors so they don’t keep breaking is also something that still needs some thought, and which some of our chums have played with previously. As far as navigating the SIP site is concerned; open SIP site, type ‘SIP speedo’, click the link – wiring tutorial is at bottom of the first page that opens; it’s on Youtube too, along with loads of other little videos of tips and troubles. – Bleedin’ simples! SIP: www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/rev+counterspeedometer+sip+_50000220YouTube: |
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Post by henri on Apr 21, 2015 16:29:10 GMT
before splashing ya cash sime ,lookn on sip under px crank n pistons on lefthandside drop down , mixed in with bearings ,no's 25 , theres dummy bearings to fit crank to cases easy when tuning ,bout 7 quid a side ,saw em n thought of you, then thought agin an ordered a pair for meself , H
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Post by sime66 on Apr 21, 2015 17:45:29 GMT
You do remember that this is a subject where one of our learned colleagues previously suggested the use of skateboard wheels? I didn’t want to reopen old wounds, but I recall a bit of a kerfuffle over it before! Feb 26th: "I also had, what i thought at first was a good idea...i was thinking of what cheap, everyday thing, could be used as a 'dummy' bearing for the purposes of installing/extracting the crank for measuring such things....something softer than ali - plastic! 62mm diameter ideally, easy to drill/sand....a skateboard wheel!!!!?
Drill the inner to suit the crank, slice it down, voila!?
Now all i need is a skateboard!" – (vespasco) Actually they look very useful, H; well spotted. I’ve put a pair on my shopping list/notepad too. Are they re-useable? I’m actually using the old bearings at the moment for the work I’m doing; they can stay put for the time being on this build. If vespasco doesn’t see your post here, I’ll add it into the info on my tune/build thread………… Flywheel side: www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/bearing+dummy+crankshaft+fly_90021100Clutch side: www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/bearing+dummy+crankshaft+clu_90017000 |
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Post by vespasco on Apr 21, 2015 17:58:09 GMT
*Edit: I just missed your post there sime! . I saw those dummy bearings too H!! and a better option than my previous suggestion a few weeks ago. I wont remind you what the idea was tho. Im hoping you've forgotten  I have a mkl sip speedo on a AC system. I threaded another 12v feed wire direct from the regulator to feed the speedo so its totally seperate from my light feeds etc. (I also have a battery fitted on a seperate DC circuit for 12v goodies etc). I have a Rally 200 so its slightly different but i managed to 'just' fit the little black box inside the headset. The little 'menu' button i placed under the light switch so you cant really see any wires or the button...you dont really need the button while youre riding (and its quite dangerous trying to) so it could go anywhere out of sight! Ive also considered modifying a kill switch button on a light switch so its totally unseeable! A CHT sensor on a tuned motor is a very nice thing to have, especially if youre setting it up for the first time and want to keep an eye on the temps. The wiring is pretty simple really. Finding a neat little spot to put everything in/on is harder! I was a little relunctant to buy one at first, due to the looks, as i wanted my Rally as stock looking as possible (despite all my 'hidden upgrades') but found that it wasn't too different at first glance and the benefits far outweigh this little fact. And meant to add.... Grinding down bearings for a sloppy fit, a few guys on here do that, quite a handy way too. 2nd edit: And yes id say theyre re usable sime. Theyre only plastic discs id imagine, a bit like 62mm skateboard wheels :0 |
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Post by sime66 on Apr 21, 2015 18:08:45 GMT
I think the rally one looks good too, when I saw your video a month or so back I thought I'd gone back to liking them, until I reminded myself how different the PX one look compared to yours and the Mk1 P's. It still seems to be the best option at the moment, but something else might crop up before I get to it.
I was thinking I might use the PX AC horn button location for the SIP control button (I have a left-foot button for DC horn) , but I haven't really given it much thought yet - under a switch sounds sensible, especially if you don't use it much.
It all needs a bit of thought before diving in.
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Post by henri on Apr 21, 2015 18:28:16 GMT
i'm reckoning there re-usable ,they cant be that tight a fit if there to make the job easier ,was on sip checkin price of speedo's after stc's correction of my over estimate of price ,must of been thinkin bretta 1's ,everythings more in lammie-world , H
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Post by al on Apr 21, 2015 19:33:57 GMT
Cheers guys nearly there just got to change the tank sender.I have tried a basin wrench but it is to bulky and can't grip the nut.In the end ive used the yellow wire to power the clock from the junction box behind the horn.Getting the wires through the frame was easy but to the headset a right pain.In the end I had to cut the connectors of and re solder them.But all seems fine up to now.I will let you know how I get on.Cheers Al.
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Post by sime66 on Apr 21, 2015 20:14:48 GMT
Good to hear, just a quick point, maybe to check though:
On mine, the yellow is the unregulated AC on its way from the stator to the regulator; if that's the same with yours, would it be safer to use the grey regulated AC, which comes back from the regulator to the horncover and then into headset?
Some of the chaps will help with the tank nut; it's not a job I've tackled yet, but I wanted to mention the yellow wire concern - your colours might be different, but no harm mentioning it.
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Post by al on Apr 21, 2015 22:11:42 GMT
Got the tip from the SIP tutorial it said you can connect both wires together if it's a non battery so went from there..It seems to all work but we will see when I button it all up.Wish me luck.
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Post by vespasco on Apr 21, 2015 22:16:21 GMT
If you have a SIP fast flow tap you should be able to plug in straight into the speedo?? Ive read that, not actually done it.
If you mean you need to take out the fuel tap....
I used a cheap 30mm gas bottle wrench, cutdown with a hack saw to fit inside the tank hole and also cut to suit a 32mm nut.
Then i was lucky enough to have the use of a welder for 2 minutes (even although it had no damn gas)!!! and welded a long bar to the bottle spanner.
A bit of a hash i must admit but it done the job. And ive used it a few times recently!!
Although I think yours maybe slightly different.
A long 32mm pipe socket is what you need?
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Post by vespasco on Apr 21, 2015 22:17:17 GMT
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Post by sime66 on Apr 22, 2015 5:08:33 GMT
^^ditto; good luck^^,... ...but repeat that I'd be happier connecting to regulated AC. I won't keep on about it as you all seem happy, and I haven't fitted or connected one myself yet, but I'd be wondering what an unregulated AC surge up it might do to it's internals.  |
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Post by al on Apr 22, 2015 5:55:22 GMT
Cheers Sim will take your advice and have another butchers this afty after I finnish work.
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Post by al on Apr 23, 2015 20:09:40 GMT
All done and dusted and works a treat.Has Sim said grey wire in headset.Also the black box will fit i between the two bulb holders above the key.I first fitted it behind the horn casing but had a earthing problem so had to get the box in the speedo housing.Cheers guys.
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Post by sime66 on Apr 24, 2015 12:45:34 GMT
Well done, glad you got it all sorted mate.
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Post by doulsy on May 17, 2016 22:06:15 GMT
thinking of getting one of these, the speedo i have goes mad after i hit 30 mile an hour, cant seem to find an original speedo so i dont have many options, dont care about wiring for fuel ect, would just like speed displayed and maybe revs, vespasco! i know you said you put a battery in your scoot for other things but is your speedo wired to it or ac?
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Post by al on May 18, 2016 4:56:11 GMT
Love mine and you don't need a battery to use it.Only tip would be to solder the connections.
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Post by djloone on May 18, 2016 12:34:28 GMT
MMmmm you lot have me thinking now...could be a addition too mine as well..out of curiosity is the sip the only option or are there other makes/styles out there?..Anyone make bespoke 1ns?
LOON-E
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Post by doulsy on May 18, 2016 21:44:46 GMT
MMmmm you lot have me thinking now...could be a addition too mine as well..out of curiosity is the sip the only option or are there other makes/styles out there?..Anyone make bespoke 1ns? LOON-E not sure but i knew you would be in about this lol. done some reading up a while ago so im gonna do some more, thinking i could fit the sip speedo then i could add other stuff later on if i felt the need, like the sip fast flow petrol tap, only thing that worry's me is getting the wee box in my headset, it is really tight in there. |
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Post by djloone on May 18, 2016 21:58:11 GMT
the quick look i had online only bought up the sip 1..which dont look bad..but i do like too be different..at the min im still having speedo issues..along with blowing head issues...and head bearing issues..all little jobs too sort while its raining here...anyone turn up alt speedo clusters i,d be very intrested LOON-E |
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Post by doulsy on May 18, 2016 22:13:38 GMT
the quick look i had online only bought up the sip 1..which dont look bad..but i do like too be different..at the min im still having speedo issues..along with blowing head issues...and head bearing issues..all little jobs too sort while its raining here...anyone turn up alt speedo clusters i,d be very intrested LOON-E think the speedo is version 2, what speedo issues you having? mine is fine till i hit 30, looks genuine but its clearly cheap crap |
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Post by swm on May 19, 2016 4:14:40 GMT
Speedo issues , speedo issues ! Dont get me started ! Mine eats cables at the hub end ! I've given up trying to cure it now and just rely on "feel" or other traffic for indication of speed ! If I knew how fast I was going I'd only slow down !!! Same as my Lam ! Well one bonus tho at least looking at both clocks their low mileage  ? Cheers. |
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Post by djloone on May 19, 2016 9:02:16 GMT
mine seems too work ok till i get too a indiacated 45/50 then it just drops down too zero,,its being looked at today
LOON-E
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Post by craigy72 on Oct 17, 2016 13:10:10 GMT
Hi I have a problem with my Sip speedo on my 2001 PX Disc. The issue is every now & again when I use my indicators the speed shuts down (goes blank) the needle shoots up & back down like when its being started.
Could this be down to a wiring issue & its causing a short/serge or could it possibly be the black box??
Thanks in advance for any help.
Craig
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