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Post by jellerby on Jan 21, 2015 17:23:16 GMT
Changing gears 2nd to 3rd the engine revs high and jumps and then will go into 4th since I've had a stator put on from a garage, also when slowing down at lights and sitting in 1st I have to keep revving so the engine doesn't cut out which is hard when I'm braking because i can't twist the throttle, it's also pulling when I rev so I have to keep my foot on break pedal. Any ideas on how I can fix it? I can sit in neutral in traffic but it's not easy to get into neutral unless I'm moving. I'm new to all this type of stuff and I have just started learning about it all. Thanks for the help  |
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Post by vespasco on Jan 21, 2015 19:19:39 GMT
Was this all happening before you took it to the garage? If not take it back.
It sounds like all your cables need adjusting for some strange reason.
Possibly the clutch needs looking at too. Hopefully your cruxiform will be ok?
Although there should be no reason to touch the cables if they only had to change the stator. (What was wrong with the old stator)?
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Post by jellerby on Jan 21, 2015 20:06:33 GMT
I can't recall it happening before, I've been told to tighten the clutch and that the gear is loose etc and would need a strip down to diagnose the problem.
The electrics weren't working so we had a new stator kit put onto it, I don't think the garage was use to working on scooters because the lights cut out after it gets too hot and the day I got it back the scooter wouldn't start and kickstart just hit the ground... They said the light switch was dicky and nothing to do with anything else but since I got it back it's been a problem
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Post by vespasco on Jan 21, 2015 20:49:13 GMT
Im not sure what theyve done. I dont know if they do either!
Where are you?
Any scooter clubs nearby? Or vespa dealers. Id be a little reluctant to take it back to that garage just yet.
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Post by jellerby on Jan 21, 2015 21:17:32 GMT
York, I'm in my uncles scooter club but he's a Lambretta man haha, I don't think I'll be taking it back to them, i think it was about £160 for it  I'm not really sure what to do with it now |
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Post by sime66 on Jan 21, 2015 21:18:33 GMT
The kick-start dropping is sounds like someone overtightening the clutch cable to try to sort the drag out. The drag will also be why your engine was cutting out sitting in 1st. It’s where I think you should start with that one. You need to losen it to get the kick-start back, but without it dragging. If you can’t find the right point it might be your clutch, or gears, but I’d try that first. The other gear-related stuff can be tackled if necessary too; try that and we can take it from there.
Some of these symptoms are a bit of a worry when you first encounter them, and some of the fixes also seem daunting when you haven’t tackled them before, but the sooner you learn to recognise some problems, troubleshoot and start doing repairs, the sooner do don’t have to trust garages who don’t know what thery’re doing with Vespas and don’t want to know if you go back with problems with what they've done.
You’ll have to explain your electrical problems again if you’ve still got them; I just wanted to chip in with the clutch/cable/gears malarkey because I had the very same thing before I ran out of patience, sacked my last mechanic and got on with getting to know the scoot and doing it myself; it’s the best thing you can do.
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Post by jellerby on Jan 21, 2015 21:30:12 GMT
Haha thanks, the kickstart problem was fixed now, I'm only 17 so I've not really got into the engine stuff but I'm learning the trade at my college. When we picked it up from the garage they told us it was the first smallframe they've MOT'd. Do you think tightening the clutch cable will stop it pulling when I rev in 1st?
As for the electrics, everything just went dead, lights and horn didn't work so we put the stator on it and they start working until about half an hour of riding the scooter, when it's started cold they all work which the garage did and they didn't realise that they cut out after riding until we told them and they said it's the light switch...
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Post by sime66 on Jan 21, 2015 21:44:47 GMT
Do you think tightening the clutch cable will stop it pulling when I rev in 1st? Yes, if that is the only problem with the clutch/gears - but if you tighten too much you will lose your kick-start again. I'm not getting involved with electrics tonight - The night-shift can sort that out! |
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Post by jellerby on Jan 21, 2015 21:55:58 GMT
Alright thank you, I'll see what I can do. I dont mind about the electrics at the moment because I will have somebody who knows about Vespas looking at it at some point |
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Post by henri on Jan 22, 2015 10:54:11 GMT
Aaah its a smallie eh , the subjects of my current obsession ,well half of em , the lights failing when hot could be the switch ,but is it points or electronic ,an which smallie ,as its ya first scoot am guessing a pk not a ss90 ,if electronic the supply of new stators is variable to say the least , going from expensive but works to cheap an only fit to throw at cats/dogs that crap on ya lawn ,
when ya vespa tech-head looks at it inspect the wiring/soldering on stator ,joints sealed with blobs of molten plastic=better quality ,bare solder =cheaper end of market ,measure the output with wire to reg box disconnected ,on a lectronic should be 14-16volts at tickover,remembering to put meter on AC, for other stator checks the values should be same as px 1's as the coils are same jus diff base plate .
am just going thru a v100 i re-wired n converted to 12volt lectronic ,every thing worked good cept i'd mixed up my brake light switches an put wrong 1 on , road it half a mile to stash in garage n everything failed lights/horn wise , so am metering it today an will post correct values for ya ,prob tommorrow as its daughters 10th burpday today ,if i survive "lazerdome" that is ,if ya suss it post please as might giv me a clue/shortcut on mine , H
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Post by jellerby on Jan 22, 2015 11:47:29 GMT
It's a 50 Special, okay if I find anything out I'll let you know  |
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Post by jellerby on Jan 22, 2015 13:07:28 GMT
Just gone to start it up and lost kickstart  |
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Post by henri on Jan 22, 2015 16:15:58 GMT
50 spesh ,nice 1 , really good first scoot , do ya mean kickstart just go down to ground without spinnin lump, as thats a slipping clutch ,adjust the cable off a tad an kickr shud come back ok , found out the prob with my v100 , the tags on brake switch were made too wide n cut into rubber gasket/insulation an shorted light circuit to ground =no lights/horn. was so happy i'd sussed it went n got on my bike to ride a quick errand an pulled off forgetting the disc lock , crunch one busted clutch lever n little finger , ouchy , scoots/bikes ya got to love em ,as they break ya heart n others bits .
still when ya get kicker back an can check lights give us the readings an i might have a clue ,also if ya need bits i can steer ya where to look, ok , smallies rock, H
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Post by jellerby on Jan 22, 2015 17:43:59 GMT
Haha yeah it's good when it's working I went to start it earlier, compressed it and then went to kick it off and the kickstart hit the floor and goes back up I think the flywheel was spinning, it's done it before and it was just the woodruff key? Problem I don't have a clue how to do anything haha. Thank you ill give you a shout if I need anything |
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Post by henri on Jan 23, 2015 17:18:04 GMT
we all started as clueless blind fools , youve made the first step n asked how , after that the only daft question is the 1 ya didnt ask but should off , theres also the "vespasmallframe forum " for more smallie specific stuff , an half the guys on there started on 50 specials an still love em now , H
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Post by jellerby on Jan 23, 2015 18:19:33 GMT
I've got already on the smallframe site I've got also got some groups on Facebook |
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Post by vespasco on Jan 23, 2015 18:30:44 GMT
Yep! My first time on the road (legally at least)! was on my 50 special Best of luck with your scoot |
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Post by jellerby on Jan 23, 2015 19:13:42 GMT
Haha thank you |
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Post by henri on Jan 23, 2015 19:32:57 GMT
see 50 spesh's rule ,sr sticky the lambretta "god" started on a 50 spesh, ya in good company , an a word of wise?? , smallie group=gud , facebook =take with pinch of salt , personal opinion of course ,but smallie forums a welcome group of nice guys , faeces book not so , but if on facebook ask to join the smallframe parts sale or swap ,group ,cheap stuff n good advice , admin is overseen by mathius , THE smallie tuning god an also a allround excellent guy ,even tho he's a kraut , H
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Post by jellerby on Jan 23, 2015 19:52:33 GMT
Thank you |
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Post by henri on Jan 23, 2015 20:19:32 GMT
your welcome ,another vespista is another bod to point at an say " if i'm wrong so is he " ,an i'd rather be wrong than right as scoots go, but then i'm a founder member of the "awkward squad scooter club" ,motto awkward by birth scooterist by inclination , truth to say the clubs me n a mate ,but we dont talk much ,coz were awkward , an the old sayin ,if i have to explain you wont understand ,dont count with you , you've a 50 spesh ,youve already got it ,welcome to the club ,we are the people ya mum told ya not to play with ,an now ya 1 of us , the giggles start now an last a lifetime ,H
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Post by jellerby on Jan 24, 2015 20:02:57 GMT
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Post by henri on Jan 24, 2015 21:22:53 GMT
thats scoots , they put a smile on ya mug that meets at the back, keep the faith its worth it , H
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I'm not really sure what to do with it now
