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Post by doulsy on Dec 17, 2014 13:26:52 GMT
Thanks henri, could i put a battery on to the blue and black wires to check all this?
Forgot to mention the engine is not in yet and its a non battery
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Post by henri on Dec 18, 2014 8:52:50 GMT
so long as youve not got a fuel gauge an indicators relays not connected i'm thinking it should work ok, never tried it myself ,i just use a meter an check continuity that way .you might have to make up a temporary earth lead from the frame to battery negative an black wire aswell,just to be sure .an i think if i was doing this i'd def use a smaller bike battery rather than a car 1, just in case of faults/mistakes/shorts, less chance of burning anything out .will think on this a bit today ,coffeas not kicking in yet ,as i said never done it myself but memorys saying ive heard of others checking wiring with a battery .H
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Post by doulsy on Dec 19, 2014 1:36:53 GMT
these are the wires coming from the switch these are the wires from the loom does this look ok?
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Post by doulsy on Dec 19, 2014 1:48:25 GMT
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Post by doulsy on Dec 19, 2014 1:53:43 GMT
Seem to have ran out of wires, do i need to make some up or is there another part you buy and connect to others in the headset? dont have any for the speedo or main beam warning and also one missing from ignition. sorry about the small image photobucket wouldnt load on laptop, green wire is to the ignition and red and grey on the flasher warning light.
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Post by henri on Dec 19, 2014 10:32:18 GMT
right bit hard to make out but here we go , on the bulb holder where youve got the white wire on the pilot bulb bit ,bottom right as you look at it i'm sure that should be a yellow from switch ,an the yellow from loom goes on 2nd contact as its the feed to rear light , sorry hang on just had a sneaky peak at the haynes an it seems to say the whites right an that theres another yellow from where youve the 2 to a speedo bulb ,an the grey from loom goes to bulb holder where the twin greys are an theres another grey from there to indie warning lamp. all this is triggering a vague memory of there being a "headset" sub loom , which would explain your wiring shortage ,sorry i'm not more help , i think i'd have a gander at beedys website or ring em an ask, its been mentioned on here that dave is there loom guru , or get a haynes wiring diagram or other 1 an make it up, its easier if you draw it out on a bigger bit of paper ,just the bit/circuits you need not all off it,an if poss use coloured felt tips , an then go through it a wire at a time an cross em off when fitted , just looked at beedys an they list a "p200e/125/1" speedo to under horncover " sub-loom , 2 yellow wire n 3 black ones , which might be what ya need , as on bulb holder where youve got 1 black wire there should be 3 ,the 1 from loom ya got plus 1 to ignition switch an 1 to speedo bulb. sorry ive not a def answer but reckon you need the beedy sub loom or a look at there site will show ya what too make , its a long time since i looked at p200 headset wires an stuff gets lost/over-written by more recent wiring jobs , H
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Post by doulsy on Dec 19, 2014 13:05:03 GMT
Yes i have ordered the speedo to horn cover loom, ye recon the rest is ok? I will post more better quality pictures or email them if you prefer, i can see any bulb holder on the speedo but there is two connectors for wires
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Post by henri on Dec 19, 2014 17:19:44 GMT
havin racked me bonce a bit it seems fine ,tho i'm sure theres 4 wires to the ignition switch ,the 2 connecters on the speedo have got to be for the bulb i guess , ya can get a mot without it if lucky ,i think i'd concentrate on gettin it runnin an lights to get a mot an worry bout speedo later , H
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Post by doulsy on Dec 19, 2014 21:50:24 GMT
havin racked me bonce a bit it seems fine ,tho i'm sure theres 4 wires to the ignition switch ,the 2 connecters on the speedo have got to be for the bulb i guess , ya can get a mot without it if lucky ,i think i'd concentrate on gettin it runnin an lights to get a mot an worry bout speedo later , H Henri, i know a retired mot tester who only works on a sunday morning, fixed his laptop a few weeks ago
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Post by henri on Dec 20, 2014 9:49:40 GMT
sorted , H
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Post by sbwnik on Dec 23, 2014 21:14:52 GMT
Only two wires to the ignition switch, green from the cdi and black to earth. They go to the larger tabs. The smaller ones are used for something on some models - US Spec maybe? - but not on UK models.
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Post by doulsy on Dec 24, 2014 13:18:46 GMT
Only two wires to the ignition switch, green from the cdi and black to earth. They go to the larger tabs. The smaller ones are used for something on some models - US Spec maybe? - but not on UK models. I will get some pictures of my progress uploaded later, think i have sussed the headset wiring, not 100% though.
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Post by sbwnik on Dec 24, 2014 20:29:16 GMT
Turn the ignition to the off position (anti clockwise) and it's the two tabs connected by the copper turning bit. The black fastens to the handlebars to earth the ignition out.
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Post by doulsy on Dec 25, 2014 14:17:15 GMT
Turn the ignition to the off position (anti clockwise) and it's the two tabs connected by the copper turning bit. The black fastens to the handlebars to earth the ignition out. Got the small loom for the speedo, earth goes to speedo and ignition and and bulb holder and a few yellows that go to hi beam warning light and speedo light and also connects to bulb holder, this sound about right?
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Post by henri on Dec 25, 2014 18:51:00 GMT
yep, from what i saw on beedys page an the manual tother day that should be right for ya , i'm away at pop's for the festivities?? ,an havent a wiring manual to gaze at, but think theres a p200 1 on scooterhelp.com , go to there handbook/owners manuals bit . tho it might be for a american spec 1 that has a battery ,an uses the extra wires on ignition switch for a parking light . H
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Post by doulsy on Jan 4, 2015 16:18:36 GMT
Right guys, i stuck the engine in and poured some petrol down the tube and it actually started and switched of from the ignition only problem is none of my lights work, no headlights, tail lights or brake lights, i only have the front indicators installed and they are not working either thoughts?
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Post by doulsy on Jan 4, 2015 19:59:29 GMT
btw, i dont have a horn connected, not sure if that makes a difference
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Post by sbwnik on Jan 4, 2015 20:37:18 GMT
If it's a non battery then you've just answered your own question. Join the horn up, and then try it.
A quick test is to press the button with the lights switched on, they should light as long as the button is held.
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Post by doulsy on Jan 4, 2015 23:35:27 GMT
If it's a non battery then you've just answered your own question. Join the horn up, and then try it. A quick test is to press the button with the lights switched on, they should light as long as the button is held. i dont have a horn, you think this is the problem? i read the horn wire goes to switch and links the others up, this the case? yes its a non battery and just realized i have no bulbs in the indicators.
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Post by henri on Jan 5, 2015 9:37:41 GMT
no horn=no lights as sbwnic said , piaggio ya got to love there "sense" of humour eh, an no bulbs in indies will give ya no indies , classic DOH moment , weve all had em, spent a age tryin to trace a lighting fault once before remembering the horn ,a wire had come off it behind the horncast , oh how we laughed ,not, theres a couple of types of p series horns , 1 mounts in the horncast itself an earlier 1's on a bracket on the steering tube ,make sure ya order the right one , if its a tube bracket 1 ive a couple of old ones kickin round the shed ya welcome to try ,havent a clue if they still work tho, H
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Post by rab on Jan 5, 2015 21:10:51 GMT
i also have a tube mounting horn tested and working i will never use but refuse to bin it and a universal ac dc one bracket mount were ye can type that i used in the t5 horn cast. cost of the stamp gets either posted if you want one. it may be worth considering running 2 wires through frame from horncast to were the battery would be then you have an option to fit one for extras if you wanted at a later date like usb sockets or extra lights and such. it will save the ball ach of stripping the tank back out just for 2 wires
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Post by doulsy on Jan 6, 2015 23:43:41 GMT
i think it goes on the horn cover, not sure if you can tell from the picture, the scooter had a 6v ac horn on it when i bought the bike , i know it should be a 12v ac, i connected the old one to it tonight because i was curious, still no lights but the horn worked, i also put a test lamp on the blue wire coming from the fly wheel, it did light up but was very weak.
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Post by henri on Jan 7, 2015 9:23:38 GMT
a 6volt horn works on 12volts aswell ,just a different tone , an was scoot just ticking over when the bulb was weak , it should of been fairly bright an blown if scoot was revved hard , was the test lamp 1 you made or 1 of those screwdriver type testers as they can be weak as its a high wattage bulb to prevent it blowing frequently ,H
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Post by doulsy on Jan 7, 2015 10:59:56 GMT
a 6volt horn works on 12volts aswell ,just a different tone , an was scoot just ticking over when the bulb was weak , it should of been fairly bright an blown if scoot was revved hard , was the test lamp 1 you made or 1 of those screwdriver type testers as they can be weak as its a high wattage bulb to prevent it blowing frequently ,H screw driver type and i was giving it some revs, i will try to borrow a multimeter.
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Post by rab on Jan 7, 2015 14:24:01 GMT
Looks like there is a horn in the cover already but yes it's horn cast mounted 4 screw holes in the back for mounting it
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Post by doulsy on Jan 7, 2015 21:36:03 GMT
Looks like there is a horn in the cover already but yes it's horn cast mounted 4 screw holes in the back for mounting it yes it came with a 6v ac horn,but should be 12v ac, would the 6v horn stop the lights from working? i put a multi meter straight on the stator blue wire and disconnected the blue wire from the loom, then i started getting mental readings like 40 odd volts, then i reconnected the blue wire's and the multi meter was showing 14,8 v with a little rev, also tried the test lamp again and got an electric shock lol, i dont have my petrol tank installed and i think my carb needs some work so its hard trying do do these tests on your own when the scooter is only running for a minute or two, any way still no lights.
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Post by henri on Jan 8, 2015 10:18:53 GMT
the 6 volt horn wont stop the lights workin unless its broke ,with no load on /unconnected the stator shud kick out bout 14-16volts on tickover an up to 48 when revved hard , with it connected to the reg box ahain your reading of 14.8 sounds bout right ,so ya stators ok an reg box seems to be working ,but you really need to check the reg's output aswell to be sure , ive kept a old battery acid 1 litre bottle to use as a auxilary tank for when tank is out, a old oil bottle with spout can be used aswell but needs a hole in it to breath, these will give you more time to go round testing with the engine running ,H
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Post by doulsy on Feb 14, 2015 19:05:59 GMT
Ok, i bought a new horn, a 12v ac one, still no lights , checked the voltage from were the blue wire connects to the loom and it was only reading 2v but when disconnect from the loom it was showing 20v on a fast idle, so i connected to loom again and its back to 2v, i then disconnected the regulator and it went back up 20v. does anyone have any sugestions on what to try next? btw the horn was working.
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Post by henri on Feb 14, 2015 20:14:01 GMT
if voltage is dropping to 2volts theres a short/miswire , youve got to disconnect everything ,bulbs out an isolate all circuits , then 1 by 1 re-introduce circuits/switches/bulbs til the voltage drop re-occurs then you will have sussed where the fault is , had sumting like this recent , fitted wrong brake light switch on my smallie ,so swapped to right one an all lights/horn stopped workin , isolated every thing an it all metered right ,Aaahh , til i checked brake light switch to brake block an there was a short, turned out the tag inside switch was to big an had cut thru rubber gasket an was shortin, yours will prob be sumting similar ,only way is back to basics n go through it bit by bit , H
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Post by rab on Feb 15, 2015 17:11:08 GMT
the stupid annoying things that get sent to test us are never fun all we can say is thank fuk for that when we sort them reading your short problem is annoying even me i know what a ball ach they are am feeling for ye on this one doulsy
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