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Post by mrpt5 on Apr 4, 2014 18:43:19 GMT
Should both wheels touch the floor when on the centre stand ??
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Post by kru251 on Apr 4, 2014 19:51:35 GMT
On level ground with my current tyres at the pressures that suit me/my scoot and that have covered about 1400 miles, the front wheel is just clear by about 18-20mm I suppose. BUT all those things plus stand foot wear, stand spread etc have an effect. I have one Lammie that touches down on all fours (ooohh err) and another that has the front wheel (due to metal stand 'feet') about 75mm off ground.
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Post by mrpt5 on Apr 4, 2014 20:10:22 GMT
Mine has metal feet. Can you adjust them. Seems simple question I know.
I have changed the back shock and think that's caused it.
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Post by rab on Apr 4, 2014 21:11:42 GMT
mine sat just off the floor until i added the crash bars and back rest now its a good inch or 2 off the floor with the extra rear weight.the front rack and spots dont seem to compensate for it and the front end gets a bit too light above 50 mph unless that's me on take off mode hehehehe
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Post by mrpt5 on Apr 4, 2014 22:27:02 GMT
The stands a bit sticky too. Think a bit of WD40 is in order.
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Post by sbwnik on Apr 4, 2014 22:39:45 GMT
Ideally, it should only be on three points - rear wheel and stand, or side stand and both wheels - as this is the most stable stance there is, four wheels being very close to being off the stand
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Post by mrpt5 on Apr 4, 2014 22:42:33 GMT
How do I resolve Nik
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Post by kru251 on Apr 5, 2014 6:16:28 GMT
Differing stand feet perhaps? I agree with Nik re the three point being the most stable. I have done this alteration to a mates PX125. If ground slightly uneven then the four point position allows the scoot to 'slide' a bit.
See here at 2:50----> Watch the scooter 'slide' away after Jimmy parks the Lammie.
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Post by rab on Apr 5, 2014 20:11:34 GMT
check the wear on the stand feet or simply buy new ones see if it raises the front off the floor for you if not its stand spread someone has been sitting on the scoot while on the stand .it may not seem like much to sit on it while its on the stand but over time it will eventually spread as a result. i wouldn't try bending the legs back in as this may cause one to go in further than the other then you get another problem. replace the stand if the feet are fine
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Post by sbwnik on Apr 5, 2014 22:45:09 GMT
It's a tricky one, but a quick bodge is to use the SIP alloy stand feet as they're deeper than rubber ones. If they're still not long enough then the odds are the stand has splayed. Again, a quick bodge is to pad the insides of the feet out with pennies. Same as anything else though, get it sorted properly.
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Post by henri on Apr 6, 2014 10:08:17 GMT
with the metal feet if ya cant get the clamp bolts free,mostly they sheer off ,you can move em down drill holes through the stand an put longer bolts through to hold em ,pennys is a good idea ,hadnt thought of that 1,use to use off-cuts/scrap bits of steel to pack em out.the bolts are to small to do the job on there own without wearing the holes oval in the stand. an on 3 points of contact is the most stable for uneven ground ,thats why milking stools have 3 legs ,if both tyres are touching its easyier for the scoot to roll of the stand .when down what sort of angle are the legs at when seen from side ,ive had stands that where worn on the part that sits on the bracket an stops them turning any more ,making them angle more an be shorter.a bit of weld an they sat more upright an kept front wheel about 20-30mm of ground.you dont want them to sit too close to vertical as then scoot will roll of the stand too easy . H
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Post by mrpt5 on Apr 6, 2014 19:31:31 GMT
Am I allowed to say I'm a knob on here
When I removed the florida bars. The bolts came too. Stand was only on two bolts.
Now brakets are fubar'd now. Ay ho. New stand for me.
The choice is centre or side stand. Any thoughts pls.
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Post by rab on Apr 6, 2014 20:43:59 GMT
i wont laugh hahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahaha the floor is not designed for a side stand you will also be turning it into a 3 wheeler it will roll away and fall over and i will laugh again honest
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Post by sbwnik on Apr 6, 2014 22:23:22 GMT
Again.... Mine has had a side stand for at least 8 years - think it's probably nearer ten - and the floor is only bent from when I stacked it trying too hard on the Scottish Cannonball. The only time your floor will bend is if you use the scooter as a seat, and then it will bend whether it's a side or centre stand.
Old wives tale.
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Post by henri on Apr 7, 2014 9:14:21 GMT
just for the controversy,i have a centre stand (chrome) an a side stand on my daily hack ,the side stand is on left hand side opposite the brake block.yes i drilled holes in the floor for it ,2 at centre to match the brake 1's an 1 at outside edge,st/steel bolts coz i like a bit of bling an a reason to go to "nut&bolt store",my 3rd favourite shop . at night or when laid up it sits on centre stand ,when blatting about its easyier an looks loads cooler to flick out side stand an the scoot looks great leaned over.as ive ridden large bikes an scoots since was a nipper got into habit of always parking tail into kerb or facing uphill.scoot cant roll of either stand then .its hard to tell whether my floor has distorted as it was bent like a banana when i got it an is actually at least 2-3 scoots welded together.stripped to bare metal an checked/measured found to be straight,4 years ago ,an re-painted last autumn stripped/checked again ,still straight . i never sit posing on scoot as i'm ugly an would spoil the veiw,an never do the other big no-no of riding it of centre stand like ive seen some do,mostly lazy guys with leccy start . if ya go the sip side stand on engine mount bolt route it means ya cant carry a spare under side panel i think ,other options its side or centre not both mostly ,thats why i drilled floor an put stand where I wanted it ,H
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Post by swm on Apr 8, 2014 13:24:01 GMT
I used to have a SIP side stand which bolted to the engine mount, nice bit of kit but as henri sez you can't carry a spare. So I now have a different side stand from SIP which bolts through the floor and strut where the centre stand should be. Nice and solid, haven't noticed any floor distortion. I also try and park uphill or on the flat and with my rear wheel up to the kerb if poss. just to be on the safe side.
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Post by henri on Apr 8, 2014 16:39:15 GMT
they are nice n solid the sip ones ,it wasnt the lack of spare but there position an awkwardness to use that i didnt like. an i do like to think i'm jus a bit cool as i easily flick down stand under my foot ,rather than a double jointed gibbon as my foot searches for a stand behind me next to rear wheel ,an the 2-3 degrees of lean i lose before scraping on left handers is worth the stand taking the punishment rather than my frame .only joking there ,i can dream . i take it the sip stand you got cant be used aswell as centre stand .i did look at trying to design/alter my 1 to have both on same mounts but thought too complicated ,sod it, can always weld holes up an drilled floor,had to cut mounting plate down as brake block on offside ,but if i'd kept it whole an bolted it up by 4 centre stand bolts thought it would stiffen frame rather than weaken an distort it .have seen many scoots with re-inforcing plates either drilled an bolted on top by mount bolts or welded along underneath to try an stop centre stand rubbing/distorting floor .an my vbb was cracked an paper thin 2/3 of the width of scoot from centre stand wear . ya pays ya money an ya takes ya choice. H
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Post by rab on Apr 8, 2014 20:03:58 GMT
its ok mine has decided to sit on all fours now yet another trip to the shop i should inquire about shares
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Post by sbwnik on Apr 8, 2014 20:54:35 GMT
swm - that sounds much the same as mine. If anything was likely to cause distortion, it would be a Lambretta style half width one.
Never mind parking with wheels to the kerb, just make sure the bugger is left in first gear - it can't move then. Old bikers trick.
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Post by mrpt5 on Apr 8, 2014 21:46:25 GMT
New brkts bought. Stand checked, sanded to bare metal, primed, 4 coats gloss black.
Should be on by breakfast.
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Post by mickymidas on Apr 9, 2014 7:39:26 GMT
Does it depend on which model you've got ? My rally has always sat level ( both wheels on floor ) when on centre stand , but I have noticed more modern PX sit with front wheel in the air .
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Post by henri on Apr 9, 2014 8:32:20 GMT
my older ones seem to sit with front wheel just off floor ,an px's a fair bit higher ,your rally is on 10" rims so should really sit with front up about 20-30mm from floor.my guess is worn down stand ends or a replacement stand meant for a 8" rims older scoot. to get back to earlier chat about bodges on stands ,my favourite 1 ive seen is 2 b7hs spark plugs jammed insulater first up the legs to lengthen them an tack-welded in . funny way to carry a spare plug i thought. swbnic ,ya right about a lammy half width 1 like mine being more likely to distort ,but only if ya misuse/sit on/ride off, an i park rear to kerb as i also ride big bikes an if camber is steep rather than struggle to roll bike back or bump up kerb an back down,the second worst thing for steering bearings after potholes ,scoots an bikes, can just pull out.an with rear down hill it pulls it onto stand centre or side ,still leave it in gear aswell tho as i'm a "belt n braces"type of lanc lad,even if i do live with the "southern heathens"nowadays .not as clannish as them "funny buggers t'other side of hill" in "gods own county" ,there words not mine ,H
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Post by sbwnik on Apr 9, 2014 14:00:45 GMT
Henri, I know exactly what you mean... I'm from that area myself, and luckily my wife lived in the land beyond the forgotten world, although I do have to cross the big hills to get home to Red Rose territory regularly. I don't stop though
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Post by henri on Apr 16, 2014 19:54:48 GMT
what "big" hills ,cant be that big if my mum could do em on her 1959 2 port vespa/douglas 150 ,just for a weekend with my dad in married quarters RAF driffield .she is a mad old beggar tho,whats your excuse .couldnt imagine doing it on a old vespa,a p200 just about ,i'm not as mad as some who cross the alps an "bigger" by scoot.hard enuff work on a big jap-bike or landy . mind you mum rode her vespa everywhere ,only stopped when i turned up,sewing machine on back rack,elder brother in basket on floor meant at 8 months gone she realised there wasnt any way she'd get away with another basket on a front rack,me.scoot was so crackered her brother decided it couldnt be sold ,so rode it to where he worked,pool dock copper,an threw it in the dock. 47 years later an i'm still pi***d at him. H
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Post by sbwnik on Apr 17, 2014 13:48:52 GMT
Great story...
Big hills? The Pennines. Great fun.
I've done 'windy Hill' between Rochdale and Huddersfield (the highest bit of Motorway in the country) often enough on OCO and the nameless 180 before that, it's not fun but both made it to the top in third. Only just on OCO though, but still.. You know it's steep when 40 foot trailers come past you like you're going backwards. A59 for the North East and M60/Snake Pass for the South East was much more sensible!
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Post by rab on Apr 17, 2014 20:41:04 GMT
snake pass is bloody dangerous in a car or van never mind on a scooter windy hill is a challenge staying in the lane your in as passing the resivour is an art hehehhe
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Post by sbwnik on Apr 17, 2014 22:02:45 GMT
LOL, oh yes... I love Snake Pass, it's one of my favourite roads. Scared myself once or twice though!
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Post by kru251 on Apr 18, 2014 8:10:02 GMT
Snake Pass? Did that once in a Caterham/Lotus 7 not having been on the Pass before. Geez that was an 'interesting' drive!!!
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Post by sime66 on Apr 18, 2014 9:05:26 GMT
Snake Pass on a Mountain Bike, about 15 years ago if that's any good (About 5 Stone ago, too)
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Post by henri on Apr 18, 2014 9:32:19 GMT
snake pass is one of my faves aswell ,scariest is windy hill with a lorry driving mate ,driving side on wind/rain ,lorry trailer weaving over most of two lanes an rep's still trying to blast past at 80 in there sierra's (yep was in 80's).just aswell i aint religous as was too scared to talk never mind remember a prayer. h
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