Vespa PX200E spare wheel?

[ltm01]

I have inherited a 1991 PX 200 E and I know little about them so I would appreciate your advice.  The spare wheel is missing and I am not sure about what I need.

I have done some web research but have mainly found photos of the spare wheel behind it's cover/protector so I am not sure about what to look for.  Am I needing a full rim with tyre?

Thanks in advance.

[Robjack]

Yes, you will need the full rim with tyre and innertube. Presumably you're talking about the mounting under the near side panel, if so you should find a couple of studs for the fully inflated wheel to hang on there. Two nuts and it's fitted. The plastic cover that you often see hanging below the sidepanel has a single bolt that goes through the lowest hole of the rim, but that's optional. The wheel is just as secure without. Other covers are available that stretch over the full wheel, many with extremely tasteless designs.

[Vespresso]

Hi. Congratulations on your inheritance, and welcome to the world of Vespas.

A P200E is exactly the same as a P125E, with the only exception being the engine. The front wheel and rear wheel are identical and interchangeable, so one spare will suit both. I have found a spare wheel on eBay with tyre and tube which will suit your needs, there are others on there so the choice is yours, this one seems to be the best price, which seems fair! Happy scootering.

item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=261288046320

[ltm01]

Thanks guys,much appreciated!

[Vespresso]

Jan 11, 2014 12:19:09 GMT ltm01 said:

Thanks guys,much appreciated!

Your welcome, let us know how you get on.

[sbwnik]

Quick hint... If you get a pair of rear shock extender nuts (they're just long nuts with an 8mm thread) and fasten them over the two studs that the spare mounts from, then you can fasten the wheel on the opposite way to normal. This means the valve can be accessed while the wheel is fastened to the scooter.

[kru251]

Good one NIk!

[sbwnik]

I'll not pretend it's always easy to get everything to line up, but it's worth messing around with for the overall ease.

[partanen]

Hello. This is what I found when I was looking for tyre to my PX200. www.scooter-center.com/product/7671761/grey?meta=7671761*scd_ALL_en*s826364820720*rim%20s83*2*2*1*16 I think it's reasonably priced. Just an alternative if you like Michelin S83 tyre. I took reinforced tyre, same price.

[swm]

What about this ? www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/tyre+sip+performer+_30300000

[partanen]

I received my wheel a couple of days ago. I thought I was lucky because rim was italian made, brand called F.A. Italia. Well, something has to be done before this meets my requirements.



Maybe holes are too small for the bolts. I may have to drill holes a bit larger, or replace the bolts. But works as spare wheel as it is, I think.

[sbwnik]

I don't see what I'm looking at, other than the usual slightly warped rims (Another food reason to use tubeless!)

SIP Performers? Not bad in the warm and dry, they take a lot of warming up and hate the wet.

Just remember that any spare you fit may need to be used at any time.

[partanen]

I don't think it's warped, but halves doesn't fit perfectly together. I managed to reduce the gap when I opened and tightened nuts again.

I ordered a pair of Piaggio branded rims. Let's hope they are better made. I like divided rims because I can change tyres more easily. I ordered mounting paste and talcum powder as well to do things properly this time.

One of my existing rims was warped. I think that someone have treated it badly while changing the tyre.

Now that I have seen cheap divided rim I'm not sure if I want to buy cheap tubeless rim.

[sbwnik]

I've seen very few split rims that look like that.

And tubeless rims aren't cheap at over fifty quid a wheel. But worth it.

[swm]

I'm after a pair of split rims myself and am undecided between Piaggio or FA Italia .

Not much in em pricewise.

What you reckon ?    

[sbwnik]

I reckon tubeless. Much safer and improve the handling a lot.

[partanen]

I definitely reckon Piaggio rims if you decide to use divided rims. Piaggio's bolts fits without problems and halves fits together right away. I managed to find Piaggio rims for 30€ each. www.scooter-center.com/product/5800010/Wheel+rim+PIAGGIO+210+10+steel+Vespa+type+PX+grey?meta=5800010*scd_ALL_en*s841279222128*rim%20px*11*11*1*16

I should have said: "Now that I have seen cheap divided rim I'm not sure if I want to buy cheapest tubeless rim." If quality goes together with the price like it goes with these divided rims and many other things too.

Is tube type tyre really so dangerous? Does is explode in case of puncture or how it goes? I have opportunity to try as I have old tyre, tube and wheel. Maybe I should make a video?

[sbwnik]

Yes. A tube deflates immediately, like a balloon, while a tubeless tyre goes down very slowly, enabling you to take defensive action. Look at it this way - it's a lot cheaper to make split rims than tubeless, but why do you think that every motorcycle on the market uses tubeless?

[partanen]

Can you change the tire yourself without marks on the tubeless rim?

Surely split rim is old fashioned, but that's why I like it. Maybe some day I buy tubeless rims and that's why I'm asking.

[partanen]

Looks like assembly needs some force as usual. Dents or marks are unavoidable, am I right? Proper tyre machine would help but I don't have one, at least yet.

[henri]

swm ask's italia or piaggio rims .i normally get piaggio but being skintish last summer went for a tyre/tube/rim deal for my daily hack .tube an tyre was michelin (airstop/s83)no problem there .rims where italia and as i assembled them 1 of the studs sheared off clean .was using a torque wrench an was only at 10 foot/pounds,i like to go round at that an then nip up to 14/15 foot/pounds final torque. have checked the wrench an its accurate .so old rims back on an ive a italia rim i'm not happy using as a spare.as swm said there aint much difference in price between piaggio an italia ,if ya value your skin go piaggio or if ya can scrape up the pennys tubeless is best.H

[sbwnik]

Most shops will pop you a tyre on a tubeless rim for a fiver an end. To me, that's ten quid well spent.

[kru251]

Well, for ease of use and authenticity on the "Jimmy" replica, I have to use tube tyres in my Lammies. I use a product called GLOOP (other brands are available on eBay as this was) inside the tube itself which if a puncture occurs 'should' slow down that outflow of air to a style that mimics tubeless tyre deflation when punctured. Supposed to stop that explosive loss of air.

[partanen]

Jan 11, 2014 21:08:34 GMT sbwnik said:

Quick hint... If you get a pair of rear shock extender nuts (they're just long nuts with an 8mm thread) and fasten them over the two studs that the spare mounts from, then you can fasten the wheel on the opposite way to normal. This means the valve can be accessed while the wheel is fastened to the scooter.

Does anyone remember which rear shock extender nuts are correct length? For example Scooter Center offers 3 different lenghts for PX 200. Piaggio's nut seems to be 48mm

www.scooter-center.com/explosion/id/N_Vespa_PX200_7_Tafel_45/C_V_ZAPM18?p=4940058&match=CAT#prdexpl

They also have 43mm and 35mm nuts for the same purpose.

[partanen]

Surely I could measure the correct length by myself. Still a lot of time before season starts.

I was pondering if 48mm is too long. Is there enough room for spare wheel still?

[vespasco]

Put the wheel on 'backwards' and measure the gap!?

You can also get Pinasco tubeless split rims

[partanen]

That's what I'm going to do. I was just lazy. Let's blame the internet. I'm gonna tell you which length is good when I sort this out.

[partanen]

So far it looks like 20 to 25mm extender nut would be good. Is 35mm too much? Is there enough room? We'll see.

[vespasco]

You may get away with just using the longest one, cut in half!! ??

[bsr65]

You can buy kits to do this for £12.99. (3 spacers 26mm plus Allen screws) l recently bought 10 spacers off eBay for £2.80. Think I typed in m8 long but. Hth.